Percy a DD Spy in the Ministry / S.U.P.I.N.E

[Lliannanshe]

No: HPFGUIDX 70090

Hello, this is my first post and I am sorry it is so long but I am 
so excited because I have been lurking for what seems like forever.

Ana T (post 65100) says
<snip> JKR made him [Percy]too evil. It's too easy. Doesn't anybody 
remember Percy in GoF rushing into the freezing water after the 
second Triward Tournament event to make sure Ron was okay?! It went 
something like "his face looking somehow younger." He got his shoes 
and fancy robes soaking wet! When it came right down to it, he is a 
Weasley. He can't be raised by the Weasleys and go so far astray. 
No! 

ME
Also, Percy's reaction to Ginny disappearing into the Chamber of 
Secrets appears less cold.  In COS when Ginny is about to tell Harry 
what she knows about the Chamber of Secrets, Percy walks into the 
room.  This scares Ginny. Why?  Percy dismisses Ginny secret because 
he thinks it is about his own secret (kissing Penelope).  But when 
Ginny is actually taken into the chamber he sends an owl to his 
parents and disappears to his room, away from the rest of the 
family.  Is this guilt?  Is this the moment he realizes that 
everything is not about him and there is a serious threat to his 
family and the world?  Is this when he decides to join Dumbledore?  
Is Percy 16? (of age) He has one more year left at Hogwarts, I think 
that would make him 16.

Ana T (post 65100) says 
<snip>No one at MOM trusts Arthur Weasley or his family but they 
would give Percy access to loads of stuff. Poor, misunderstood, 
heroic Percy!

ME
Percy access began after he "severs ties" with his family.

Ana T (post 65100) says
This started as a response to another post but I'm looking for 
supporters now because I think I'm right.

ME
I think you are right.

Ana T (post 65125) says
<snip>being estranged from his family and maybe (from the outside) 
looking as if his climb up MOM is blocked, he maybe recruited by LV 
to be a Death Eater -- exactly the way Dumbledore planned and what 
brave, dear, Percy volunteered to do. All to save his family and 
Harry. I'm thinking Arthur was let in on the secret so that Percy 
would not have to bear the burden of such a secret by himself.

ME
Arthur started the argument with Percy and according to Fred OOP CHP 
4 PG 70 "I've never seen Dad row with anyone like that" I am sure 
Dumbledore knows but does Mr. Weasley.?

Ana T (post 65470) says
Oh yeah, I forgot about "brave" Griffindors. I am trying to gather 
clues toward my theory that Percy is working for the Order 
undercover. What could be braver than pretending to hate such a 
loveable family like the Weasleys and returning his mother's hand 
knit sweater just to help protect Harry and fight Voldemort?! How 
terrifically courageous!

ME
What about slamming the door in Mrs. Weasley's face. OOP CHP 4 PG 
72 "She came up to London to try and talk to Percy but he slammed 
the door in her face" Chills. That was brave.   

Doriane (69029) says
I read a magazine about coding secret messages the other day. And 
yesterday, while I was re-reading Percy's letter to Ron, it struck 
me hard : this letter feels fake. It feels to me like Percy is 
desperately trying to say something to Ron. <snip>

ME
Prior to Percy's letter we have two events that COULD support 
Percy's letter is a coded message. (Typical JKR) OOP/US CHP 13 PG 
278 – Hermione says "Don't you remember, Moody told us to be careful 
what we put in writing!  We just can't guarantee owls aren't being 
intercepted anymore" and in the same chapter as Percy's letter to 
Ron, Harry constructs a similar letter to Sirus. OOP/US CHP 14 PGS 
280-281 - "Harry reread his letter several times, trying to see it 
from the point of view of an outsider.  He could not see how they 
would know what he was talking about  - or who he was talking to – 
just from reading this letter.  He did hope Sirius would pick up the 
hint about Hagrid" 

Speaking of Percy's letter (OOP/US CHP 13 PGS 296-298), 
Percy mentions Ron's name 5 times within the letter.  We already 
know the letter is for Ron so why does he needlessly keep using the 
name?   Does he use Ron's name to draw attention to the sentence?
  
1.	"
 congratulations, Ron, I want to give you some advice, 
which is why I am sending this at night rather than by the usual 
morning post."
2.	"I must tell you, Ron, that nothing could put you in danger 
of losing your badge more than continued fraternization with that 
boy."
3.	"Seriously, Ron, you do not want to be tarred with the same 
brush as Potter, it could be damaging to your future prospects, and 
I am talking here about life after school too."
4.	"Your loyalty, Ron, should not be to him, but to the school
"
5.	"I do hope, Ron, that you will not allow family ties to 
blind you to the misguided nature of our parents' beliefs and 
actions either."

And , does anyone else think it is possible that this message was 
intercepted and altered by Fudge/Umbridge to include another 
agenda?  That could explain a lot of the contradictions in the 
letter, the bribe and why the coded message isn't very clear.

1.	"I have always been afraid that you would take what we might 
call the `Fred and George' route, rather than following in my 
footsteps "
2.	"people who count have a very different – and probably more 
accurate – view of Potter's behavior"
3.	"I urge you to speak to Dolores Umbridge, a really 
delightful woman, who I know will only be too happy to advise you."
4.	I shall say only this – a student who shows himself willing 
to help Professor Umbridge now may be very well placed for Head 
Boyship in a couple of years!

Debbie (post 69395) says
I don't think it's a coded warning to Ron. In fact, I don't think 
the letter was his idea at all. My theory is that Umbridge advised 
him to write it, told Percy what points he should make, and edited 
it herself. Who else could possibly think her *delightful*? Look 
what else the letter advises: Don't hang out with Harry. Tell mum 
and dad to stay away from those petty criminals that hang out with 
Dumbledore. Get to know Umbridge. Be "willing to help" Umbridge 
since the poor woman gets no cooperation from staff. There's even a 
hint of a bribe -- do this and you, too, could be Head Boy!

ME
Debbie, could you believe that the letter wasn't Percy's idea but 
Dumbledore's and that the originally coded message was edited by 
Umbridge? 

Percy 2nd to last paragrapgh states, 
"I am sorry that I was unable to see more of you over the summer.  
It pains me to criticize our parents, but I am afraid I can no 
longer live under their roof while they remain mixed up with the 
dangerous crowd around Dumbledore 
 ""
 I count myself very lucky to 
have escaped the stigma of association with such people
""
 I do 
hope, Ron, that you will not allow family ties to blind you to the 
misguided nature of our parents' beliefs and actions either.  I 
sincerely hope that, in time, they will realize how mistaken they 
were and I shall of course, be ready to accept a full apology when 
that day comes."

ME
Could he mean
. I am very sorry I have to criticize our parents in 
public.  I am afraid I can no longer live under there roof because 
the Ministry knows they are involved with Dumbledore.  I have been 
lucky that they do not suspect I am involved.  I hope that you will 
understand this letter and not be blinded by what people are saying 
about him.  He hopes in the future he will be able to tell everyone 
it is not true and the family will be together again.   "Please 
think over what I have said most carefully"

Doriane (post 69029) says
He refers to the next day's Daily Prophet at least twice. Sounds to 
me like: make sure you read the DP tomorrow, there's something of 
vital importance in there!!

ME
Percy does mention the Daily Prophet twice in his letter and he 
makes two valuable statements in the article. OOP/US CHP 15 PG 
307 "He [Fudge] is now responding to concerns voiced by anxious 
parents, who feel the school is moving in a direction they do not 
approve.'"   Can we think of whom these families might be, the 
Malfoy, Crabb and Goyle families?  OOP/US CHP 15 PG 307 "[Umbridge 
is] providing the Minister with on-the-ground feedback about what is 
really happening at Hogwarts"  Just how much and what information is 
she sharing with the Minister.   Notice Minister and not Ministry.

Ffred (post 69147) says
I don't think his role in the story is over - I think he's going to 
have to redeem himself, and may well end up dying in the process.

ME
I will have to sadly agree that Percy may die and I think Mrs. 
Weasley foresaw the circumstances OOP/US CHP 9 PG 177 "Half the f-f-
familys in the Order, it'll b-b-be a miracle if we all come out of 
this. . . . and P-P-Percy's not talking to us. . . . What if 
something d-d-dreadful happens and we have never m-m-made up?"  Sad 
seeing is how it will be the family member she doesn't even know is 
in the Order.

Rebecca Stephens (post 69833) says
Does anyone know why Percy and Penelope were keeping their 
relationship secret? I can see Percy wanting to keep it from his 
brothers, but I cannot fathom any reason Penelope would agree to 
keep her boyfriend a secret.

ME
Could Percy just be protecting her?

Just one thought from within the collective

Lliannanshe
Who sees Percy in a new heroic light and must reread books 1-5 
with "Lily's Eyes"