Evans family

[mtwelovett]

No: HPFGUIDX 72847


> Corinth wrote:
> 
> > > But she never lies.  Every plot twist is preceded by
> > > clues, no matter how obscure they may be.  To make Lily a witch (in
> > > addition to blowing apart a major theme of the book) would be
> > > cheating, since Rowling has repeatedly stated not only that Lily
>was
> > > Muggle-born, but that Petunia is indeed a Muggle.  Rowling even
> >stated
> > > in an interview somewhere that she feels obligated to lay clues,
> >which
> > > is one of the reasons OoP was as long as it was.
> 
> And Mtwelovett challenged:
>  
> > Prior to book 4 any of us may have considered Mrs Figg a Muggle.
> > Granted it may not be written in the boook in those precise words,
>but
> > we could have assumed as such.
> 
> Exaclty.  It wasn't written, and we assumed.  But the Dursleys are
> repeatedly referred to as Muggles, and not just by characters.  For
> example:
> 
> "The Dursley family of number four, Privet Drive, was the reason that
> Harry never enjoyed his summer holidays.  Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia,
> and their son, Dudley, were Harry's only living relatives.  They were
> Muggles, and they has a very medieval attitude towards magic."  (PoA,
> US paperback p.2)
> 
> This seems pretty straightforward to me.  It could be argued that this
> is Harry's perspective, but it's found in the midst of other
> fact-giving summary information, which makes it seem pretty objective
> and definitive.
> 
> Mtwelovett continued:
> 
> > Basicly, who have we
> > heard refer to Lily as a moodblood or of Muggle Parentage.. or rather
> > who have we not heard say these things? (Dumbledore -- for one, I
> > don't recall him ever making mention of Lily having Muggle
Parents. >If
> > anyone knows otherwise, I'll gladly give up.) 
> 
> Indirectly, Dumbledore does affirm that Lily was Muggle-born by
> referring to Harry as a half-blood.
> 
> "'He chose the boy he thought most likely to be a danger to him,' said
> Dumbledore.  'And notice this, Harry.  He chose, not the pureblood
> (which, according to his creed, is the only kind of wizard worth being
> or knowing), but the half-blood, like himself....'" (OoP, US p.842)
> 
> -Corinth


Very good points Corinth ;) 
The catch, if you will, for me, is that I'm not arguing that the
Dursley's are not Muggles. I'm pretty convinced they are. But the
Evans' on the whole...If Petunia were a Squib (non magic person from a
magic family) and she assimilates into the non-wizard world-- which is
what I think Petunia certainly has done--wouldn't that essentially be
the same thing as being a Muggle (especially since her present
"Family" is non-magic)? Either way she "isn't capable of" magic. So
mostly I'm questioning her parents and their background.

I have a problem with this statement by Dumbledore. Tom Riddle's
mother was a witch, and his father was a Muggle, if you will. He found
out that she was a witch (capable of/trained in Magic) and left her.
He, on the other hand, is not capable of or trained in magic. Harry's
mother Lily was not a Muggle since she was capable of and trained in
Magic as was his father so where Harry may not be a Pure Blood, he
seems to be more than a "half-Blood" like Riddle or Seamus. The point
of debate here is if Lily's mom and Dad were Muggles or not, and the
real definition of things like half-blood. ;)

Mtwelovett