[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore's ability to see Invisible things?

[Wendy St John]

No: HPFGUIDX 73398

Portia asked:


"Sorry if this seems ridiculous, but if Snape were teaching Harry 
Occlumency, wouldn't he have to be proficient (if not skilled) with 
Legilimency?  How would one learn to repel the invasion into one's 
mind if the teacher was not skilled at invading?  If I have 
misinterpreted these skills, I am anxious to be set straight. "

Now me (Wendy)

Hiya, Portia. I don't think that's a ridiculous question at all. I agree
with you that Snape has some skill at legilimency. We see him practice it
on Harry in the course of the training. I just don't  think he is a master
at legilimency in the same way that Dumbledore or Voldemort are. Notice
that when Snape uses legilimency on Harry (page 471, OoP, UK edition), he
uses his wand and actually casts a spell ("legilimens"). Presumably,
Dumbledore and Voldemort are skilled enough to be able to use this ability
without casting the spell, or even using a wand at all. I'm not sure this
is strictly canon, but we have seen times when Dumbledore certainly
appeared to be "reading" someone's mind, and there is no mention of him
casting the legilimency spell to do it. So I think that Snape's grasp of
the spell is enough to give Harry  good start. In order to learn the
technique, he wouldn't need to be able to fight off the most powerful
mental intrusion at first. He could start more slowly, by learning to block
Snape's less potent legilimency, and once he'd grasped that he might need
to practice with someone of Dumbledore's caliber in order to improve his
skill. 

:-)

Wendy St John
hebrideanblack at earthlink.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: eris1313 
To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
Sent: 7/26/2003 10:02:36 PM 
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore's ability to see Invisible things?


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Wendy St John" 
<hebrideanblack at e...> wrote:
>  I was thinking - that Dumbledore can detect Harry's
> thoughts, even though he can't see him under the cloak. And I don't 
think
> that Snape' apparent inability to detect H & R causes a problem 
with the
> theory. I think it's the fact that Dumbledore is better. Although 
Snape
> appears to have some skill at Legilimency, it's *occlumency* at 
which he is
> superb. I really don't think these two skills are interchangeable. 
They may
> be related, and there may be those who are good at both, but I 
think it's
> more likely that most people who have studied them are good at one 
*or* the
> other. I also wonder if these are subjects Harry would have studied 
later
> at Hogwarts, or if this is really advanced and specialized magic 
that many
> witches and wizards never study at all. If it were me, and I knew 
this
> magic was out there, I think I'd sure as heck want to have a go at 
learning
> it <g>, but maybe that's just me <g>.  
> 
> :-)
> Wendy

Sorry if this seems ridiculous, but if Snape were teaching Harry 
Occlumency, wouldn't he have to be proficient (if not skilled) with 
Legilimency?  How would one learn to repel the invasion into one's 
mind if the teacher was not skilled at invading?  If I have 
misinterpreted these skills, I am anxious to be set straight.  
Thanks!!
portia



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