[HPforGrownups] The most accurate portrayal of Sirius not OOP but in GOF

[IAmLordCassandra at aol.com]

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Melanie: 


> Okay there has been a lot of discussions as to Sirius's character but most 
> people are using the most recent book for their basis. In most cases the most 
> recent information that you have on a person is the most accurate but I 
> believe that in Sirius's case this is not true.  
> 
> Why?
> Because Sirius was pent up.  He was in a situation where he could not go out 
> (because it had become fairly clear knowledge to most people that Sirius 
> Black was an anigmus) and the fact that if Harry would loose Sirius it would  be 
> a huge blow to him (no matter what you think of him we know this is true).   
> Everyone knows that Sirius is now going to be targeted as a way to get to 
> Harry.  Because of his convict status Sirius is a double threat in OOP because 
> he is a target but he is also an accused criminal.  Thus, he is being forced 
> into insolation.  
> 
> However, in GOF Voldemort was not in full power and while Sirius may be 
> targeted, the direct threat to Harry himself was constantly present.  Thus, it 
> seemed like a very good idea for Sirius to stick around Hogwarts so that he 
> could serve as a guide to Harry.  And it was during these times that Sirius 
> actually started to watch Harry, get to know him, develop a loving caring 
> relationship with him.  He was able to be the active Godfather he had so much 
> desired.  However, in OOP he is forced to live a life isolation from his godson 
> which I truly believe hurts Sirius very much.   


Cassie: 
I'd never've thought of that.  Then again,  I usually don't go so indepth 
into any characters except Snape and sometimes the Malfoys.  I still don't think 
Sirius was the most mature man,or even the most responsible/sensible at times, 
but even if his head isn't in the right place his heart always is.  I also 
agree with Snape on the fact that he found it frustrated he couldn't do 
anything...*useful* for the Order (or anyone, really). Perhaps Sirius is trying to 
make up for lost time. 

> 
> On many levels, I think that the Sirius we see in OOP is jealous of Snape.  
> Snape gets to be out there helping the order...but more importantly Snape 
> sees Harry everyday.  Snape can protect Harry.  Thus, Sirius maintained a great 
> deal of bitterness towards Snape.   

Sirius? Jealous of 'ol Snivelly? ^_^  

Yes...I imagine that feeds into his hatred towards Snape.  It rather makes it 
sound like he'd make any excuse to hate Snape (not that there aren't some 
good ones). He knows Snape has a notorious habit of being hard on Harry.  What 
could either be a flaw in this or help it is that Snape doesn't want to see 
Harry everyday and probably wouldn't care about protecting him if he wasn't duty 
bound to. Sirius, on the other hand, would probably give his left paw for 
Harry.   Once again though: Heart in the right place. Head? Who knows. In some 
situations that can be a good or bad thing. 

> 
> But I think that we are forgetting that what Sirius says about Snape in GOF 
> which I think proves that he may not like Snape but he wasn't all that 
> inclined to believe that he was a death eater.  

The only thing I recall in regards to Sirius talking about Snape being a DE 
was that it was never proven whether or not he was one.  I don't have my copy 
with me...I guess I'm one of the ones who forgot. ^^; Care to offer a quote or 
something? Please? ^^ 

> 
> 
> And one thing that I don't get is maybe there is some bitterness on the side 
> of Sirius because perhaps, Sirius thinks that Snape must have known he 
> wasn't really a death eater.  Whether this is true or not I will never know....but 
> Sirius might be inclined to think that if Snape was a death eater he must 
> have known that Sirius was not...and must have been kind of hurt by the fact 
> that he never told tried to stand behind him.  


Aha!  Doesn't this sound awfully familiar?   

(Oop. American Ed. pg. 746) 

'Snape had been his very last hope.' 

(Oop. American Ed. pg. 832) 

"What about Snape?" Harry spat. "You're not talking about him, are you? When 
I told him Voldemort had Sirius he just sneered at me as usual-" 

"Harry, you know that Professor Snape had not choice but to pretend not to 
take you seriously in front of Dolores Umbridge," said Dumbledore steadily... 

<snip> 

Harry disregarded this; he felt a savage pleasure in blaming Snape, it seemed 
to be easing his own sense of dreadful guilt, and he wanted Dumbledore to 
agree with him. 

I think there is a definate analogy to be made here.   However...you have to 
remember that there was a time when Sirius's closest friends and even Harry 
thought he was a DE.  Even Dumbledore had his doubts.   And we don't know 
exactly how much the DE's knew about each other.  It would've been a welcomed thing 
to have someone innocent put in Azkaban in a DE's place (even a marked one, 
like wormtail).  If Snape did the same thing with Harry and only 
pretended....well, if he had come out and said Sirius was not a DE, how could he back it up 
without giving himself away?   



> 
> Of course this is all specualation..but I don't know I think that the Sirius 
> we see in OOP was a really sad person.  I do not think that this is the 
> correct view of Sirius at all.
> 
> ~Melanie

It may not be what Sirius is...or...was like all of the time, but it is a 
side of him that exists (when he's very very very very very very very very bored, 
etc..).  I think they're are good speculations, though ^^ 

~Cassie~ 




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