[HPforGrownups] Harry, Hermione & Ron [SHIP + CRAB]

Thu Jul 31 12:34:59 UTC 2003

No: HPFGUIDX 74340

Erika L. wrote:

>Pshemekan replied:
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>>Is she terribly impressed with any other male? She seems to be
>>indifferent to any male (even Victor) -- no giggling, sighing etc.
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>    First, what makes you think sighing and giggling have to be involved?
>These are cliches of female behaviour much more associated with Lavender and
>Parvati. I'll grant you that Hermione went through her crush phase with
>Lockhart, but she was twelve, and I take it for granted that she would act
>differently now. As an R/H shipper are you really expecting her to giggle
>and sigh over Ron?
>
 Point taken ;-)

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>Pshemekan retorted:
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>>Quotes (from books 1-4) , are on those R/H ship pages:
>>http://www.geocities.com/gryffindor_phoenix/ronandhermione.html
>>http://www.much-ado.net/rhmoments.html
>>http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=rhtogether
>>Also, there is excellent essay titled: Why is Hermione Not the Right
>>Girl for Harry?
>>here: http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=angua
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>If you want essays, here are some H/H ones. A bit uneven, but there are a
>few very well done ones.
>http://www.pumpkinpie.org/index.php?x=ship.php
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Posting those links I was hoping that someone will post H/H essays links ;-)

>I'll grant you that Ron often defends Hermione, but so does Harry.
>Unfortunately I don't have a quote handy and that wouldn't prove which of
>the two defends her more frequently in any case. Other than direct verbal
>attacks, Harry defends Hermione when he feels people are thinking of her
>badly. He defends her and her idea to jinx the DA sheet when Cho says it was
>a "horrible trick". Also, back in GoF, when Mrs. Weasely is cold towards
>Hermione because she belives the rumours spread by Rita Skeeter, Harry
>notices Hermione's distress and assures Mrs. Weasely that none of these
>rumours are true.
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>    However, these examples aren't really direct SHIPping evidence in either
>case. The quote with Kreacher features Ginny defending Hermione as well as
>Ron, yet no one's suggesting that Ginny, too, has feeling for Hermione.
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True.

> I've gotten to the point where I simply don't trust JKR's interview
>comments. They tend to be fairly misleading and usually novel specific.
>Besides which, Rowling has no interest in telling readers what is going to
>happen in the novels. She constantly drops hints about what may or may not
>happen just to whet people's appetites and keep people guessing. Until she
>gives a straight yes/no answer on the SHIPping front, I think all bets are
>still on.
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Also true.

>    As for the R/H Arthur/Molly I'm guessing you mean in particular the
>moment where someone (is it Harry?) is reminded of A/M when he sees R/H
>bickering? As for Hermione/Molly, yes, Sirius suggests that Hermione frets
>and worries just as Molly does and then Ron later agrees with that earlier
>statement. And then there's Hermione's knitting I suppose. I'll grant you
>all of this. To be frank, I don't know what to make of this. Putting aside
>SHIPs for a moment, I'd be terribly disappointed if Hermione simply
>metamorphosed into Molly Weasely. Hermione is very gifted and she has strong
>convictions. I can't imagine her simply settling down, immersing herself in
>the domestic arts, raising a half dozen or so children, and being satisfied.
>Molly seems to be and that's fine. But I simply couldn't see this as being
>in keeping with Hermione's character.
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Not quite.  We have Hermione and Molly who bosses everybody around and 
Arthur and Ron, who are bossed by their female counterpart.  We've got 
down-to-earth females and childish males.  So Hermione have character 
traits of Molly, and Ron have character traits of his father. Obviously 
Hermione is not going to settle as a house-wife, just as Molly did. 
However [1] I belive that was because Molly's marriage took place in the 
1960's, and Hermione's will be in the 2000's; not because Molly's 
purpose of life was to get married.
OTOH some time ago, I asked my female friends who were attending 
University with me, did they wanted to become a house-wifes, and most 
said yes -- even those perceived by me as most independent and anti-male 
;-). I mean, that we don't really if Hermione-house-wife would be less 
or more happy than Hermione-minister-of-magic.

>Pshemekan noted:
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>>So, when arguing something is SHIP, arguer should remeber that if
>>something was not stated explicite it does not mean that is not exists.
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>Ah, but it doesn't mean that it _does_ exist either. There are assumptions
>being made either way. For one, why must Hermione always be with Ron when
>she's not with Harry? We have evidence that she's become friends with Ginny.
>Also, Hermione spends a great deal of her time studying. We know from GoF
>that she spends vast amounts of time in the library, and certainly with
>O.W.Ls coming up, it's not going too far to suggest that she does the same
>in OoP. So when is she spending all this time with Ron? I'm sure she spends
>_some_ time with him-- when she's not in class, in the library studying,
>doing homework, or in the girls' dorms.
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That is true.  How much time she spends with Ron is still debatable.

>    As to the Prefect issue, I commented on that earlier. As I said, we have
>more examples of Ron being a bad Prefect than good. If Rowling wanted to
>suggest otherwise she could have done so quite easily. But, as far as I
>recall, she didn't.
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That was very insightfully adressed by Doriane and Shaun earlier, so I 
just say here that I agree with their opinions.

[1]. I seem overusing the word 'however', but I can't do anything about 
it -- I don't know any other word that could be used instead ;-)

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Pshemekan