TMR the Missing Years /Viktor Krum/Cross-breeding wizards/Ginny's dress robe

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 59537

Alex Cukier wrote:

<< Does anyone have any theories (not full funfiction, please!) about 
Voldemort 25 missing years (1945-1970)? >>

I believe that Tom Marvolo Riddle got welcomed into the Malfoy home. 
Either one of the "useful friends" that Diary!Tom mentioned having 
met at Hogwarts was a young Malfoy who took him home over the 
holidays, or the adult Malfoy of that era, surely a Governor of 
Hogwarts, checked out that Slytherin boy who was honored for Special 
Services to the school and found him to have potentially useful 
talents. I think he spent quite a few years living at Malfoy Manor, 
studying Dark Arts (with an emphasis on immortality) from books in 
its library and doing experiments in a lab set up in its dungeons. 
Also (is this too much like fanfic?) being the godfather of and very 
bad influence on Lucius Malfoy.

I think, only after that did he travel to distant places to study in 
other old libraries, and from time to time he returned to visit 
Malfoy Manor and be a bad influence on young Lucius. I think that the 
final spell that achieved his immortality was performed in a forest 
in Albania and that is why he was magnetically dragged back to that 
forest whenever he became disembodied (only a body is strong enough 
to resist that magnetic pull). I believe he had already turned 
himself into a red-eyed snake-man before that, as side-effects of 
his other spells.

I believe that, confident of his immortality, he returned to Malfoy 
Manor in 1969 to start recruiting Death Eaters -- and (this is 
definitely fanfic) to encourage Lucius Malfoy to murder his father 
and/or grandfather -- whomever he had to murder to inherit the estate 
and be head of the family. I say, that was the first murder scene 
with the Dark Mark thrown over it. 

Brief Chronicles wrote:

<< So something will eventually happen to end the Krum relationship, 
and I suppose he could die. But it won't be very emotional for us.>>

It would be for me! I'll cry! I was rejoiced each time the plot 
twists showed that Viktor was a nice guy despite going to Durmstrang 
and associating with Karkaroff, and was upset when he seemed evil 
after all (e.g. when Viktor Crucio'ed Cedric in the Maze), and when 
the story ended with Viktor being a good guy, I wept because that 
means JKR will kill him in the next book. 

The Seargeant-Majorette wrote:

<< It's concievable, for instance, that the Krums have a summer place 
on the Black Sea to which the entire 3-person Granger clan could be 
invited. >>

We mostly seem to think that Hermione is an only child, and my own 
personal theory is that she has an older sister who is like 20 years 
older and out on her own, but suppose that Hermione has a Muggle 
sister a year or three older than her: the sister could come on the 
family trip to Bulgaria and Viktor could fall in love with her 
instead.

~Cassie~  wrote:

<< What I am wondering is...if a person is half wizard/half non 
human...are they considered fullbloods because they have magical 
blood? >>

Me, I believe that they are. I like to think that Lucius and Narcissa 
got their blond good looks from being a quarter-Veela (and first 
cousins, making Draco rather inbred).

<< And can two non-humans produce human children? (the same way two 
muggles can produce a witch/wizard) >>

That seems very unlikely. The witch/wizard child is just a Muggle 
plus an extra talent, but a human child of a non-human would be the 
non-human minus some stuff as well as plus some stuff. However, if 
you were thinking of crossing two different non-humans ... maybe 
Giant x House Elf would average out to human size, human level of 
helpfulness, human level of magic powere ... but not to human-style 
nose and ears unless Giants have remarkably small features to 
counterbalance the House Elf's large and strangely shaped ones.

Felinia Beauclerc wrote:

<< Let's say their children, we'll give them three for right now, 
marry - the first boy marries a pureblood witch with a similar 
background to the Weasleys, the girl marries a Muggle, and the second 
boy marries another "spontaneous witch" like Hermione with similar 
strong, brilliant powers but Muggle parents. How do their children 
"count"? >>

According to me, the three children would be considered Halfbloods by 
most wizarding folk, Purebloods by the *extremely* liberal. I don't 
know if the wizarding bigots have a whole vocabulary of mulatto, 
quadroon, octaroon, and so on, or if they'd just say Halfblood for 
the first boy's children. The bigots would call the girl's children 
Mudbloods despite one Pureblood grandparent (and sometimes they call 
Mudbloods "Muggles", as Draco to Hermione during the Death Eater riot 
at the QWC) and polite people would call them Halfbloods ("their 
mother is a witch and their father is a Muggle"). 

You are correct to raise the question of Muggle-born parents, because 
it complicates the racial classification. The child of a Muggle-born 
witch and a Muggle-born wizard would presumably have been brought up 
in the wizarding world, familiar with what Draco called "our ways" 
since birth, but the bigots would still call it a Mudblood. I don't 
think even polite people would call it Pureblood. Maybe Halfblood in 
a euphemistic sort of way, or something about wizard-born. I think 
there must be one word in wizarding talk for wizard-born, but if 
Draco had used that word instead of asking "But they were our kind, 
weren't they?" (in Madam Malkin's), Harry (and the reader) wouldn't 
have known what he was talking about. So Draco also didn't use the 
word Mudblood when he said: "I really don't think they should let the 
other sort in, do you?" 

Anyway, I figure the bigots would call the second boy's children 
Mudbloods and even Muggles just the same as the girl's children, and 
only the most liberal of polite people would call them Pureblood 
("their parents are a witch and a wizard"). 

<< In sum, I think that *probably* even the Malfoys might have a 
Muggle ancestor back there in the seventh or eighth generation back, 
if they looked closely enough. >>

I'm sure you're right that even Purebloods have Muggle ancestors, who 
don't count against the Pureness of their Blood if enough generations 
back. In CoS, Ernie Macmillan said: "I might tell you that you can 
trace my family back through nine generations of witches and warlocks 
and my blood's as pure as anyone's, so -" which has not only added to 
the debate about "what is warlock?" but raised the suggestion that 9 
generations is the definition of Pureblood. 

Finwitch wrote:

<< I don't think that Molly bought her [a dress robe] - but Neville 
might have. >>

Surely Molly, who seems to be a rather old-fashioned mother, has 
taught her little girl that NO well-brought-up young woman accepts 
a gift of clothing from any man who is neither a close relative, 
fiance, or husband! I don't think that rule ought to apply to logo 
t-shirts, but it does apply to formal dresses and ball gowns.

Ginny is the only girl and the youngest of the family. I think she's 
Molly's little princess and maybe Arthur's, too. I've always thought 
Molly might have bought her a dress robe back in August because a 
combination of realism and motherly fondness made her feel certain 
that Ginny was SO pretty that surely some fourth-year boy would ask 
her to the Ball. Also, that if Molly hadn't bought a dress robe for 
Ginny in August, she would have bought one later and owled it to 
Ginny when Ginny owled to tell her that she had an invitation to the 
Yule Ball but no dress robes. Or maybe not bought one, maybe it was 
her own dress robe from when she was younger and slimmer ... altho' 
even so I think it would have required alterations to fit a 13 year 
old...