The order of the Phoenix and the Heirs of Gryffindor

squirrel2333 squirrel2333 at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 19 14:51:42 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 61097

     What the Order of the Phoenix is and does has been discussed
at great 
length here.  We have been thinking about this for *a while* now
and have 
come up with the following theory.
     The OotP is a society originally created to fight the heirs
of Slytherin. 
Whenever an heir comes into power (or another "greater
evil"), one person is 
identified as the heir of Gryffindor.  The OotP is a group of the
heirs of 
Gryffindor and their supporters.  
      About the name "Order of the Phoenix": The more
obvious origin of this 
name is most likely the fact that the purpose of the Order
"dies" when the evil 
is gone and is "reborn" with new members and a new heir of
Gryffindor when 
a new threat rises.  But, there might be a more subtle reason.  
      We know that phoenixes (sp?) live a *long* time (according
to one source, 
each of their cycles lasts 500 years and they live as long as
"five times the life 
of a long-living raven".  Other sources just say around 97,200
years.)  So, 
Fawkes (our favorite phoenix, by far) could easily have belonged to
Godric 
Gryffindor, only 1000 years ago.  Perhaps Fawkes is passed down
from one 
heir of Gryffindor to the next.   At first you might think that he
is only the "pet" of 
the headmaster of Hogwarts, however, JKR specifically says in chapter
13 of 
CoS that Dippet's office lacked Fawkes.  Also, in Fantastic
Beasts and Where 
to Find Them, Phoenixes are described as being very hard to
domesticate, so 
it is unlikely that Fawkes is just Dumbledore's childhood pet.
      Fawkes might not just be a symbol either.  It is unlikely
that the heir of 
Gryffindor is always a blood relative of Godric Gryffindor.  After
all, the main 
thing that differentiated Gryffindor from Slytherin was that
Slytherin thought 
that blood should matter, and Gryffindor did not care.  So,
another way could 
have been found to identify the heir.  What if Fawkes somehow
"chose" the 
heir.  Dumbledore says to Harry in the second book that phoenixes
make 
highly *faithful* pets (stressing the word faithful).  And then,
later, he tells 
Harry that the reason why Harry called Fawkes to him was because of
his 
great loyalty to himself.  He then tells Harry that only a
"true Gryffindor" could 
have pulled Godric Gryffindor's sword out of the sorting hat. 
Maybe instead of 
meaning a descendent of Gryffindor's, he means more like our
theorized 
definition of the heir of Gryffindor. 
       If Harry is the heir of Gryffindor, there would be another
reason  why he 
has to fight Voldemort; because Voldemort is the heir of Slytherin
and Harry is 
the heir of Gryffindor.
       The "old crowd" that Sirius was to gather at the
end of GoF may have 
been Dumbledore's helpers in the fight against Voldemort in the
same way 
that Hermione and Ron will be Harry's helpers in the newly
reincarnated 
Voldemort.
       Feel free to tear this to shreds if you want.
-Squirrel and Stine (we came up with it together)







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