Money On Bagman

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No: HPFGUIDX 61220

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, KLMF at a... wrote:> I haven't seen this explored in the past month or so, when I joinedthe > group, haven't found it yet on Archives (though it may be there,just haven't found > it yet) so please forgive me if this is old news...> > A couple digests ago someone brought up the possibility of LudoBagman as > actually still being a DE and I have to say that has stuck in mymind ever since > the QWC incident.   I suppose he really is just put in there asbait to pull > us off the scent but there just is too much to the contrary, Ithink,  despite > the Trial in the Pensieve and Dumbledore's comment that he hasnever been > accused since....."never been accused" doesn't mean he's innocent.> > At the QWC when HRH told Bagman about the riot, he exclaimed "Damnthem!" > which, to me, implied some kind of familarity....the kind offamiliarity that > suggested he had personal dealings with "them" and might have beenexpecting > something like this. It seemed to me that the more appropriateresponse would be > surprise, fear, and anger.  Ok, that's a bit tenuous....The Husbandsaid he got > no such implication from Bagman's comment, so maybe it's just me.  > > But then there's the statement that, according to George (Am.GoF HCpg. 732), > Bagman "ran for it" from the goblins because he lost the bet onHarry's > winning (outright). But can we be sure that was the entire reasonhe fled? What if > he hadn't fled?  What if he had been called by V?  Or what if heindeed fled > because of V as Karkaroff (we are led to believe) had? What if hisinterest in > seeing Harry win the TWT wasn't about the bet with the goblins atall??  After > all, Hermione made the observation that Bagman never seemed to beat the > office----he was always hanging around Hogsmead or up at theschool, it seemed.  > Could Barty Crouch Jr. just been a cover to take us all in thewrong direction? >  Maybe Barty Jr.  was under the Imperious curse himself to believeand > confess that whole story to keep Bagman from suspicion? (indeed, hedid give the > impression of a V-worshipping trance-like state during theinterrogation)  Can > the Imperious Curse overpower the effects of Veritas Serum?> > It also seems to make sense, too, now that I think of it, thatBagman would > be in no hurry to find Bertha Jorkins if Bagman wanted V to know hewas a > willing servant and knowing BJ was going to Albania---in fact,wasn't it Bagman > that said that she was visiting her cousin?  What if that was justa story to > explain her purpose for being there?  > > The comment by Rita Skeeter "I know things about Ludo Bagman thatwould make > your hair curl....not that it needs it--"..(Am. GoF HC pg. 451)very probably > means she knows a lot more than what was revealed in the trial(rather > obvious, actually, especially now that we know how she gets about).It was clear that > the jury had no intention of convicting him of being a DE.  What aperfect > cover!  Quidditch Hero....British Wizarding celebrity.  Just a dimbut > good-natured retired jock who had taken a few too many bludgers tothe head and got > addicted to gambling.> It seems that the public is going to be just as hard to convince ofhis guilt > as getting Fudge to face reality.  > > Any thoughts on this?> > Karen F> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]           I agree that Ludo Bagman is going to turn out a lot worse thenhis character has been pretrayed so far. I mean why would Bagman giveArthur Weasly 12 tickets to the WQC for a minor favor? To the top boxno less? The very box Crouch Jr. was in? Seems suspcious, if you askme.       Another thing I have been thinking about is...      Have you noticed that Bagman wears his old Quidditch robesEVERYWHERE even to his own trial. I have thought prehaps he has put acharm on his robes, to make people everlook his faults and rememberhe was a great quidditch player.     Lets just wait and see how bad Bagman really is...          Lids