[HPforGrownups] OoP : death and some other questions

[Katze]

No: HPFGUIDX 61707

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Vinnia Chrysshallie wrote:

>If you haven't finish reading OoP yet...skip this
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>First of all... Why does it have to be Sirius??? I
>can't take it! Can't believe Rowling could be so
>heartless! Before reading OoP, I expect the death that
>we've been talking about would take at least a
>chapter...it will be a heartbreaking scene...not a
>quick death like this. We don't even see Sirius' body!
>How I wish that it was Hagrid...
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It wasn't until 2 days before the book came out that I started even 
thinking that it would be Sirius. I sort of wish I'd never popped into 
the thread onmy discussion board that suggested it. I started getting 
paranoid. I can sort of understand why she did - for character 
development. But how much more loss does this kid need? Is it going to 
be his anger that will ultimately help him defeat Voldemort?

>Well now for the questions:
>1. The curse...
>Did it kill Sirius? I have a suspicion that this is
>the same curse used on Hermione. I meant, in both
>cases, we don't get to hear the curse. Isn't it
>strange that Hermione, instead of stunning the DE,
>silenced him? What was she thinking? And after being
>hit, both looked surprised. But then...Hermione is
>alive.
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I had the feeling that the curse is NOT what killed Sirius, but that it 
was going through the veil. And that makes me wonder - is the veil that 
access door the afterlife? Luna seemed to think that because they could 
hear voices on the other side of the veil, that it's possible to see the 
dead again. I wonder also if only folks who've seen death are able to 
hear the voices like being able to see the Threstals.

>2. So, did Sirius died because he went through that
>veil? If Harry, unhurt, goes through that, would he
>die? If someone just stuck their head, with some other
>holding their bodies...would he/she die?
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I wonder if the veil is a door, like I said above. I also wonder that if 
you are alive while going through that you end up in a state of flux or 
something when you reach the other side. Can you come back?

>3. How does Nick know that Sirius wouldn't come back?
>Can he make contact with Sirius?
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I sort of wondered this myself.

>4. The prophecies. Why did Dumbledore have the order
>guarding it? Why not destroy it altogether? If he's
>afraid someone would hear the prophecies, why not have
>loud bangs going on in the room for about a minute,
>then use the reductor curse... Safe a lot of trouble.
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Not sure, but I have a question regarding the prophecy. Was Harry an 
oridnary wizard before he was attacked? Dumbledore said in book 2 that 
he gaines some of Voldemorts powers. But now it seems that when 
Voldemort attacked him, that much more than just Voldemorst powers were 
transferred, but that some mystical higher power was granted to Harry. 
And I'm not sure I followed this whole "Your heart saved you" bit that 
Dumbledore was talking about. What's this super power that Harry has 
that he's not aware of?

>5. The snake. Is it Nagini? But there's something
>curious about the poison. And how did the snake get
>there? 
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I thought that the Snake was actually Voldemort. We saw everything from 
Voldemort's point of view in the dreams.

>7. Hedwig
>She's hurt. And if I remember correctly, she hasn't
>delivered any other letter since then. Hmmm...may be
>we'll find out that she is  traumatised later on? Will
>Harry get a new pet because of this?
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Rowling stated that Harry would have a new pet at some point, though I 
don't know if this will be the reason.

>I must say...I hate Harry at present. Stupid boy!
>Sirius died because of him. I'm not talking about
>going to MoM, he can't be blamed for that. But if he
>opened Sirius' gift, then he would be able to reach
>Sirius. Doesn't even have to break into Umbridge's
>office.
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I don't hate Harry, I just feel very sorry for him. Losing yet more of 
anyone seems like real family. He's always got his friends, and now we 
know there's a new family for him brewing at the end of the book. But 
had he used the mirror - he would've know Sirius was ok.

This enitre loss with Sirius is just heartwrenching. I hate how quiet 
the death was too. The room was so full of commotion that it's almost 
like no one would've noticed. That stupid veil. It better show, because 
I want to know what secret it's holding - just like the Mirror or Erised.

>And after Sirius died, he broke the mirror! That's the
>last gift your godfather gives you...instead of
>looking after it, you smashed it?!
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But didn't you also hope that Sirius had taken his mirror? I so hoped 
that Sirius would just show up in the mirror. But alas - Rowling is 
giving a very clear picture of death in the Potterverse. It's final. I 
was very glad to find out about the ghosts though.

>On a side note, does anyone feel really empty and sad
>after knowing that Sirius is dead? I feel like someone
>has really died. My friends told me I'm crazy, taking
>a death of a character so seriously...but...anyone in
>the same boat?
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I feel exactly the same way. He was truly my favorite character in the 
book. I don't think you are silly at all. In fact, I think you're with a 
rather large group of people who really didn't want to see him die. 
Before all the baords and lists shut down on Friday, I'd mentioned (on a 
discussion board), that I could really deal with the death of any of the 
characters except Harry and Sirius. Honestly - she could whack Hermione, 
Ron, Dmbledore, Lupin, and Tonk. But tnot those two. ARgh! I can 
udnerstand it from a character development point of view. What this does 
to Harry. It makes him more isolated and much less like anyone else. But 
come on! He's truly a marked man at this point. How much more does this 
boy need?

And what about Dubmledore? I'm glad to see that he's taking part 
responsiblity in this mess. His perfect plan. Had he only told Harry 
what the dreams were. And why did he need to worry about looking Harry 
in the face since Voldemort wouldn't be able to possess him anyway?

I'm going to have to ponder all of this....a bit more. I just finished 
reading. I feel more satisfied though with this story more than I did 
with GoF.

Take care
Kristin