OOP Questions and Inconsistencies

eccentricness julia_224 at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 23 07:53:49 UTC 2003


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> HERE ARE SEVERAL Questions and Inconsistencies THAT I HAVE AFTER 
> READING OOTP. 
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> 1. Was Hagrid wrong when he said Lily and James were Head Boy and 
Girl in their year?(SS) Do you not have to be a prefect to be Head 
Boy/Girl?  Unless Heads are merely the top academically in the 7th 
years......but still. > >

Hmm... That is true.


> 2. Where and when and how did Harry get the Maurauders map back 
after Crouch/Moody had it? > >

I'm guessing that Harry got it back when they raided Crouch/Moody's 
trunk.

<snip>
> 4. Snape's pensieve:
> Why were Lily and James calling each other "Potter" and "Evans"? I 
thought we had from a chat/interview with JKR that they were both in 
Gryffindor-- calling each other by last names does not seem to be something one 
would do to housemates. In fact you rarely see it across any other houses 
but Slytherin and Gryffindor. So......what house was Lily in??? > >

Lily /was/ in Gryffindor. It says in the book that Lily held a great 
amount of contempt for James. However, that ended when James's head 
started to shrink in 7th year.

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> 6. Why was Hermione staying at OotP HQ? Why was she not at home-- 
> hasn't she like seen her parents hardly at all for the past so many 
years-- she even left xmas early to come back. > >

I'm guessing that she felt very strongly about wanting to help Harry. 
Afterall, she does change the way she addresses Voldemort. "V-
Voldemort" It's not "Dark Lord" or "You-Know-Who" anymore.


> 7. Does everyone in the order know the prophecy? None thought maybe 
> Harry should know it?? Not even when it was known that Harry was 
> dreaming about the location of a recording of it and might have 
been being lured there?? > >

I'm pretty sure that most knew of the prophecy. However, the thoughts 
that Harry must know would have varied greatly. Dumbledore very much 
wanted Harry to know, to help Harry, yet didn't want to destroy 
Harry's innocence and burden him further.


> 8. The Death: 
> What spell killed him? It said Bellatrix sent RED light which 
Sirius dodged and then the second jet of (presumably red?) light hit 
him and he fell-- what is this spell?? It is not Avada Kedavra--
that is green. Was Sirius stunned so he would fall into the veil and 
thus die??? Is Sirius' s body gone for good? No corpse? No memorial?? > >

I'm thinking that the spell caused harm, but the momentum of it 
caused Sirius to go thru the black veil. 


> Is this veil thing common knowledge in the wizaerding world becuase 
Lupin seemed to understand right away what it all meant.......?
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> So we know Harry and Luna could hear voices in the veil, Hermione 
and Ron made no comments about it either way, but Ginny and Neville were 
> "mesmorized" by it as were Harry and Luna. Some have said it may be 
like seeing the thestrals and knowing death is required to heare the 
voices, but if it follows the thestral thinking then who did Ginny see die between the time they rode the Thestrals to when they saw the veil??? Why did Harry not see the thestrals at the end of GoF? > >

Maybe Harry was just too numb? I don't know.

<snip> 
> 11. Why, when Dumbledore and Harry returned, did DD decide that it 
was now safe to talk to and look at Harry? Couldn't V have heard the 
prophecy through Harry then? Could V hear it using the mind of Harry since 
Harry knows it now?? > >

No. DD now knew that he HAD to tell Harry of the prophecy. He had, 
afterall, put it off for 5 years. And I don't believe that V would 
have heard the prophecy. I think that it's more of a controlling of 
the mind, or feeling of sensations and emotions rather than 
actually /reading/ the mind. Plus, didn't DD elude to the fact that 
he was the best at Occlumency? (sp?) Perhaps DD will now give up the 
facade that he and Harry are nothing more than headmaster/pupil. DD 
did cry after explaining what he had to explain to Harry.


> 12. Can V peruse through Harry's mind or use Legilimens like Snape 
did to get info from Harry or can V only see through Harry's eyes as Harry 
can see through his at times? > >

I think that only works with eye contact. I don't think it possible 
for V to read Harry's mind.

> 13. What exactly was Umbridge's motivation to go so far as sending 
> dementors after Harry to silence him and get him expelled?? She 
seems to like the Slytherins....is she serving V? Why did her touch to 
Harry's hand awaken the link to Voldemort and make the scar hurt? > >

Umbridge was totally devoted to the Ministry. Look at how corrupt 
Fudge was and multiply that by 10. I'm thinking that she needed it to 
show that Harry was crazy. She is rather sadistic.

> 14. Does anyone know about Harry's attempt to use Crucio on 
Bellatrix? This was the most un-canon-like thing in the book. I just don't believe it. If it were not JKR, I would flame the author. > >

Alas, I disagree wholeheartedly here. It was unusual, but not out of 
canon at all. Think about it. Bellatrix was taunting Harry. She was 
the one who had delivered the spell that would lead to Sirius's 
death. I'd be mightly pissed and he had a "rightous anger". In all 
honesty, I'm 15 myself, and if my father-figure had just died at the 
hands of this ... horrible person, I would have wanted to cause some 
extreme pain to her. Besides, Harry's anger had been bubbling the 
entire year.

> 15. So there is an entire room off the circular room in the DoM 
with nothing but Love?? But it is locked at all times? Who locked it? How does 
DD know then? How and why is it locked there? Aren't those things in the 
DoM under study? If it is locked, then who is studying it and if no one is 
studying it, then why is it there? * This love is the power that Harry has that V will know not??? Is this clear? > > 

Hmm. I've never thought of it as love. Not exactly. It always seemed 
to be more of a determination and knowing that you are good and on 
the good side. I could be wrong however.

> 16. How do prophecies get recorded? Is it automatic? Is there a 
record of Trewlaney's second prediction to Harry at the end of PoA? 
Probably No and No because then the second rise of Voldemort would have been 
believed to whomever works in DoM and would probably have had to go over newly 
> recorded/made prophecies. So, they why was the first prophecy sent 
to be archived and reported? (Note: on the sphere it says the initials 
who made the prophecy and to whom.) > >

I'm guessing that it was automatic, or done in some fashion by the 
Unspeakables. But I don't think that the DE could have gotten their 
hands on the prophecies unless they were mentioned in the prophecy. 
Remember DD saying that only V or Harry could pick it up without 
going insane?

> 17. So what the hell was Snape's mission at the close of GoF? We 
see from his proficiency at occlumency that he would have been able to be a 
spy during the first reign but now? All we know is he is somehow acting 
to find out what V is saying to his DE. Or so he says. His proficiency at 
occlumency leaves him not only to have hidden truths from Voldemort but also 
able to now still hide truth from Dumbledore, likely. > >

True. But Snape did something to get DD to put absolute trust in him. 
Snape must have done something pretty amazing and good.


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