[OOP] First thoughts on Prophecy

[Brigitte]

No: HPFGUIDX 62742

--- Sirius Sam Wrote:  
>  But lets see 
> > what we have to to start with:
> > 
> > "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... 
> born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month 
dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will 
have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand 
of the other for neither can live while the other survives... the one 
> > with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the 
> seventh month dies..." 
> > (OoP, Ch.37, Br. Ed)
> 
> Some jewish biblical scholars have a rule that every single word in 
> the bible is significant, so when something is repeated, it's not 
> just writing style, it adds more meaning than if it were just said 
> once. With that in mind, why the last line of the prophecy? Some 
> thoughts:
> 
> *It is repeated because the first time refers to Harry, the second 
> refers to Neville.
> 
> *The repitition indicates the outcome of the above part of the 
> prophecy. In other words, the first part says "one of them has to 
> die," and the repitition says "the dark lord will die"

===Me:

I hadn't even thought of that.  Ok, I'll admit I skimmed over the 
last part because I thought it was repeating itself.  Obviously I 
missed something extremely useful.  

Sirius Sam:
> 
><snip> 
> Other prophecy thoughts:
> *What's the deal with "he has power the dark lord knows not"? 
Aren't 
> we told by DD that the power came from Lily? Was that a lie? Only 
> part truth? Does DD not know?

===Me: 
My whole theory is tied to the blood.  Bear with me:
-LP dies to save HP, making her blood his protection.
-DD reinforces the blood protection because of PD
-Harry needs to return to the home of PD once a year in order for 
protection to hold.
-LV thinks he's on equal footing with HP because he took HP's blood.
-DD has gleam when he finds out.
-LV is now not going to have a problem with touching HP because he 
thinks that he has the same protection spell.  When in fact he does 
not because he doesn't return to the Dursley home.
-This makes LV a big stupid arrogant git.
(Re-read the whole blood explanation in Ch. 37, US Edition)


Sirius Sam: 
> *The whole neither can live  while the other survives deal. Well, 
> haven't they both been living for 15 years now? <snip>

===Me:

They haven't really been living.  Not as they want to.  LV has been 
somewhere between life & death.  And HP has been having to look over 
his shoulder & not only face school & exams, but a yearly fight 
against Lord Thingy.

Sirius Sam: 
<snip> 
> *Do we know even one of the times that Lily and James defied LV?
> What counts as defying? It must have to be a pretty big thing or
> else there would probably be more families qualifying for the
> prophecy.

===Me:

Ahhh... This is my big question:  Why go after the son of the Potters 
and not the Longbottoms?  I think that the Longbottoms had a much 
better secret keeper and that's probably why they were attacked.  My 
theory, Neville was somewhere else & his parents were his secret 
keepers.  They were tortured because they wouldn't give up his 
location.  After what happened with HP and all they probably thought 
he was the one.

Sirius Sam:
> *As everyone else has pointed out, this prophecy does not contain
> any information useful to Voldemort. Ah well.

===Me:

I'd actually disagree on this.  The fact that he doesn't know.  The 
fact that Harry does know is a big deal.  Plus, he would kill HP in 
an instant with no fear of DD which would be very bad for the WW.  
It's better he is in the dark.

Brigitte