OoP: Dd's treatment to Harry and bondage issues

[Melody]

No: HPFGUIDX 63295

Calimora wrote:
 > Dumbledore has to accept Harry as an intelligent and independent 
> entity, something he could not do. 

Um.  I thought he already did that?  I mean.  Dumbledore always gives
Harry a choice and then leaves him *a lot* of maneuvering room to
accomplish his triumphs.  Sure, Dumbledore *helps* Harry, but he in no
way it coddling him or treating him like a child when it comes to
letting him face a serious deadly creature like a basilisk.


> In the previous novels DD is 
> hampered by his wish to keep Harry an innocent, aka a *child*. He 
> does this, in a sense, by feeding Harry the information/equipment he 
> needs to complete the task at hand. His aid may be oblique, but it
> is usually a suggestion by DD which gets Harry to an through the 
> previous 'final' confrontations. 

So if a general of an army gives his soldiers guns, camouflage, and
training, he is treating them like children?  It is the soldiers that
must go on that field, face the enemy, and reach the desired goal.  


> As long as this is true, Harry is a 
> child, in a scary situation, but taking his parents lead and doing 
> his best to live up to expectations.

So, Harry is only "not a child" when he faces Voldemort/evil alone
without any help or aid?  That is not adulthood; that is insanity.


> At the same time, DD's 'here's a hint, go save the day' approach to 
> Harry's involvement helped build his 'Hero Complex.' 

I was not aware Harry had a complex.  He seems *very* grounded to me.  


> I mean, what reason is there in PoA for DD not to have taken the 
> Time-Turner, gone back, and saved Sirius himself? 

Dumbledore was busy doing other things like pacify Fudge.  Only Harry
and Hermione could have saved Sirius at that time.  Dumbledore and
Snape could work the MoM, and H&H could go back and save Sirius.

 
> But now, in the wake of Sirius' death and the devastation caused to 
> the boy DD was trying to protect, Dumbledore must re-evaluate his 
> own emotions and motivations, come to grips with his inablity to 
> micro manage the human mind and affection (sans magic) and recognize 
> Harry and his classmates as players instead of items to be 
> protected.

If Dumbledore was just trying to protect Harry and the crew, then he
would have never given Harry the invisibility cloak at the age of 11,
never awarded points for his daring triumphs, or ever given Harry the
clues he needs to solve these mysteries.  Dumbledore is encouraging
Harry to fight thus putting him in danger not protecting him from it.


> ~Calimora (Who was angriest at Dumbledore. Nobody can bear bondage 
> without breaking.)

This comment intrigued me.  Mostly because, I so greatly disagree. 
You see.  How can one know how much someone can take?  Marriage is a
bondage.  Living alone is a bondage.  Family is a bondage.  Having a
job is bondage.  All restrict you and keep you from other things. 
Sometimes by your own choice, but others the bondage is the
responsibility of them.  What I think you are angry with Dumbledore
most about is his bondage without explanation.  And frankly, both
Harry and Sirius knew why they were being cooped up, but they still
got stir crazy.  

Sirius made the choice to escape from Azkaban and the consequences
with that is to hide from those that want him back there.  But he is
free.  Freed into a new bondage.  

Harry was almost born into bondage with his situation.  In fact, he
*was* born into it, if the prophecy is true.  Well even if it isn't,
they acted to protect and secure his life.  So Harry has always been
in bondage and in the dark, because of that fact.  Harry was not told
because he was a kid.  A reasonable decision I think.  Or at least, a
normal one.  Some things you just do not lay on a child's shoulders
when they are too young to understand it.   

The bondage in OoP is more in their mind.  People are always in bonds.
 Just for Sirius and Harry, they could not divert their attention away
from the fact they would rather be doing something else.  A very
dangerous state of mind and can drive you insane.  Trust me.  If they
slowed down and thought a moment, they would realize that what they
were doing was necessary at that time, and it will not last forever. 
In Azkaban, Sirius did not know that.  He could have been in prison
forever, but in his own house with OoP working to make the world a
better place, he should have realized his "house imprisonment" was
short lived.  

I guess I question, how does one know when the bondage they are under
is too much?  Dumbledore put them there for a very good purpose. 
Would it have been better it Dumbledore let Sirius gallivant around? 
Or let Harry waltz around as well?  The safest place for Harry was
with Petunia.  He knows that now.  For Sirius it was that very well
hidden house of his parents.  They should have sucked it up and lived
with it.  They would have done more damage to the cause without that
bondage.


Melody
who thinks she might have depressed her boyfriend tonight by wanting
to write this post more than talk to him, but she wants to tell him
that that couldn't be further from the truth.