OOP: MWPP WERE ALL GRYFFINDORS! (was MWPP and their houses) -small spoilers.
Kirstini
kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jun 27 16:27:07 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 64976
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> Polaris wrote:
Though the possibility that the Marauders were in different houses
have come up many many times, I wonder if OoP gives us some evidence
that this is perhaps true, at least in regards to Sirius. I base
this on the fact (OoP, US Ed. p. 67) of all the snakes in various
household items in the Black house. Could this be a clue that the
Blacks in general, much like the Weasleys, and Creeveys, etc.
belonging to one house, all belonged to Slytherin? I know we
can't definitely tell this, since in GoF I believe Hermione tells us
that the Patil sisters are in different houses. But even though
there's no evidence to prove it, I could see Lupin being in
Ravenclaw. I definitely can't remember, but somehow I have the
feeling that there's cannon saying Pettigrew was in
Gryffindor though, which shoots my theory to hell. Even if the only
cannon is that Peter and James had class together, though, it could
still work, since we've seen two houses have class together before.
Now me (Kirstini):
Lupin definately wasn't a Ravenclaw (See point 6). I've already
submitted my theory points as to why MWPP were all in the same
house, but I'm going to pop them in again, just for fun.
1.) JKR confirmed that James was a Chaser on the Gryf Quidditch team.
2.)Lupin was made "the prefect" in an effort to influence the others
for the better. Only one fifth year boy is made prefect from each
house, and the way this passage was worded (my boyfriend has a very
tight grip on my copy at the moment, so I can't quote) made me
assume that only one of MWPP could have been made "the" prefect .
3.)In the Pensieve, they are shown banded together against a boy who
a) is a Slytherin, b)believes in purity of blood, which they don't.
Not conclusive, I know, but could PP have achieved such popularity
coming from a house which stood against their ideals? Would they be
picking on someone from their own house to such an extent in a book
where the concerns raised by Hermione and the Sorting Hat about
inter-house rivalry dividing pupils were constructed as a central
theme?
4.) Bellatrix Black was a Slytherin, and in Sirius's year. We know
this from his conversation about Snape with Harry in GoF: "He was
part of a whole gang of Slytherins who nearly all turned out to be
Death Eaters...the Lestranges - they're a married couple" (GoF,
Bloomsbury p461). Sirius doesn't know her that well - would this be
likely if they had been in the same house all through school?
5.)Something about the tone of this quote - if the speaker was
himself a Slytherin, why would he bother with the house distinction?
The narrative voice, particularly when focalised through Harry, will
give a character's house along with name and often instead of
personality* - "Bob Jones, a scrawny looking Ravenclaw", when those
characters are non-Gryffindors.
6.)In PoA, Lupin says "Well, let's drink to a Gryffindor victory
against Ravenclaw! Not that I'm supposed to take sides, as a
teacher..." (PoA, Bloomsbury, p182). This suggests to me that were
Lupin not a teacher, he'd still be supporting Gryffindor - just to
support his friend James' son? Or because he was one himself? Former
Hogwartians are notoriously partisan.
There you go, my argument. Let the picking commence.
Kirstini
* I'm thinking particularly here of "the curly-haired third-year
Hufflepuff who asks Harry to the ball and isn't even accorded the
dignity of a *name*!" to whose plight we were alerted in the Amy Z
and Hagridd FILK "Couldn't it be Hufflepuff"...
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