[HPforGrownups] Romantic Chaos in OotP

[goingoutsleepwalking]

No: HPFGUIDX 65788

>First, I'm sorry, but I don't see
> their constant bickering as 'romantic' in any aspect. Being a 'recent
> adult' of 18, I had one good friendship with a guy I bickered with some
> of the time, but there were no romantic feelings about it. So it is
> possible for bickering to be just that.

Agreed.  Often constant bickering means that you'd sooner punch someone in
the face than kiss them.  But it's important to remember that Hermione and
Ron *aren't* adults.  They're 15.  And the way 15 year olds deal with
"more than friends" feelings isn't the same as adults -- at 15 I would
likely have constantly argued with a boy I liked, if I had talked to him
at all.


> Now, Harry and Hermione. Not quite plausible just yet, but I do see
> something there (but that might just be my H/H shippiness kicking in.
> But I'm trying to be objective. Really.)

I don't think that there is much that can really be objectively promoted
as what *absolutely will* happen.  I have *opinions* on what, the many
things canon has implied *may* happen, I would *like* to happen and could
make arguements for those pairings, but wouldn't claim to be able to make
an *objective* arguement on the matter because there just isn't anything
that solid in the books yet.


> Also, there must be something there to make so many people now believe
> there is more going on between Harry and Hermione than just a mere
> friendship. From Krum's walk with Harry in GoF where he asks him flat
> out, "what's with you and Hermione", to Cho's not one, but two
> arguments with Harry over his friendship with Hermione. And lets not
> forget Rita Skeeter's scoop from GoF. True, some might say that her
> scoop was to only get at Hermione, but all of Rita's scoops have some
> basis in reality.
>
> Rita Skeeter. Yet another thing that made me believe Hermione has more
> than friendship feelings toward Hermione. Her quickly changing the
> subject at Rita Skeeter's interest of Harry's date was quite noted by
> this reader (US Ed. pg 565)


I agree with the poster that pointed out how obessed our society is with
sex and how society thinks male/female relationships cannot be *just*
friendships.  I think this is what Jo is commenting on more than anything
else, as we the readers have a much clearer idea of what goes on between
Harry and Hermione than the characters who always bring this up --
generally new characters who really don't know anything about what Harry
and Hermione do together or talk about.


> But like I said, it was a confusing book. I do see a Luna possibility
> for Ron, a Hermione possibility for Harry (but that all depends on if
> Harry can get out of this raging, angry mode he is in), and a Neville
> possibility for Ginny, as it was Ginny that Neville was trying to save
> (and he who took her to the Yule Ball in GoF).

Well, Luna is more of a possiblity for *Ron* than *Harry* (as I have heard
mentioned).  I mean, Harry has no real respect for her.  He obviously
regards her as a nutter.  And *Luna* never acts interested in Harry.  Ron
on the other hand...  She is clearly partial to Ron.  Unforunately for
her, Ron thinks she's an even bigger nutter than Harry.

And *Ginny* and *Neville*????  Even if he has developed a *lot* as a
character (and make no mistake, I adore Neville and mean him no insult)
but despite his new found courage, he is still way to meek and timid of a
person for Ginny, or at least Ginny as we now know her.  I think she's way
too much like Fred and George for Neville.  I think Ginny would stomp all
over Neville to be honest and that he doesn't need that.  It would just be
even more damaging for the poor boy.

I read a really intersting comment on the chess game on the Hogwarts
Express at the end and Harry and Ginny on The Leaky Cauldron comments
section.  If I find it again, I'll post it on here.

goingoutsleepwalking