Dumbledore is Ron?

[brinforest]

No: HPFGUIDX 53282


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ecrpotter at h...> wrote:

> In PoA, it is sauid that it was Dumbledore's testimony that Sirius 
> was the Potters' Secret Keeper that was the clincher that sent 
> Sirius to Azkaban: "I myself gave evidence to the Ministry that 
> Sirius had been the Potters' Secret Keeper." (PoA, US edition, pg. 
> 392).  Now, if Dumbledore really were Ron, he would've known from 
> the start that Sirius was innocent and that Pettigrew was 
> untrustworthy, especially because he was the one who let him sleep 
> in his bed for years.  I'm sure there's more if one searches.
> 
> So, how are you going to explain this?
> 

I think that if Dumbledore is Ron, he has had plenty of time to 
realise that things *must happen the way they always did*. If he 
were to change something big like Sirius' prison sentence, not to 
even mention Lily and James's death, who knows how that would change 
the history we know happened. If he changed anything, he would 
render himself clueless at the very least (when things subsequently 
would not turn out the exact same way as they did when he was Ron), 
or in the worst case, cancel out Ron's time-trip and thereby his 
existence as Dumbledore altogether. Of course, the latter might very 
well be impossible, as Melissa wrote.

So in principle, I have no other answer to all the questions of "why 
did he let this happen if he knew". This is the *beauty* of the 
whole theory! Ron!Dumbledore's burden is that *he has to let 
everything happen*, there's no other way. I think it's even a good 
explanation. 

We've all wondered for years how Dumbledore seems to know a lot of 
what's going on with Harry, as if he has some yet-unknown special 
powers, but still lets Harry and others to end up in really tight 
spots and almost get killed. Remember how at some of the bad times, 
Harry sees him as looking very old, tired and weary? It could be 
because even though he has lived as Dumbledore for over 130 years, 
it is still painful to go through the hard times and not be able to 
do anything to change them. 

BTW, Melody mentioned timetraveller!Ron becoming part of 
Dumbledore's family. Well, as I see it, there can be no family 
already in existence, since there is no other Dumbledore but the one 
Ron becomes. Maybe, just maybe, he will have children that we don't 
yet know Dumbledore to have. 

My personal belief at the moment is that all older Weasley brothers 
will die, the Ron we know will be "lost" to the past (and perhaps 
Hermione as well), and the continuation of family will be left to 
Harry and Ginny. And as the soppy romantic that I am, I'd like 
either or both of two things to happen: 1) Some or all of the trio 
are aware of Dumbledore's true identity *before* Ron has to take the 
time-trip. Actually, I'd like for Ron himself to be aware of it, 
because that would reinforce the theme of Ron making a sacrifice. 
(On the one hand he will get the fame, glory and stand-alone hero 
position he always wanted, but on the other hand he will lose his 
life and friends in the present day and take on a mind-blowing 
responsibility!) Maybe Dumbledore tells them everything just before 
dying, so Ron has to face his own future death! (Now, PLEASE, nobody 
get too excited and think this is the "everything" he will tell in 
OotP. Please. It's too early.)  2) The other scenario would be more 
on the fun and light side (so I don't really see it happening:) ) - 
Dumbledore does not, in fact, die during the books, and Harry and 
the surviving Weasleys (I still hold that Ron!Dumbledore will have 
had a life together with Hermione in the distant past) will still 
have a kind of "Ron" in the end... only he's almost 160... that's 
ickle Ronniekins for you!

Now that I've been thinking and writing this for hours, I noticed 
nobodysrib's post, which contains lots of good points and some I 
also thought of but from a slightly different angle. For some reason 
though, I just don't like Hermione!McGonagall. Matter of taste I 
guess! :) (I think Hermione's Big Thing that she will do to help 
Harry defeat Voldemort should be something different from time 
travel, and the going to the past to be with with Ron, if it 
happens, will be her happy ending.)

Now I know there was one more point somewhere I had to address, but 
I can't find it anywhere anymore. No wonder I guess, with all these 
posts, all with different interesting input! :)


Brin