[HPforGrownups] Re: Ron is Dumbledore?

[Kathryn Cawte]

No: HPFGUIDX 53474

 

Melody:
Hmmm, Ron as Dumbledore.  Given Ron's reputation to date in the
series, seems Dumbledore does not have to be so squeaky clean now.  In
fact, that could cover a few of MD's dark spots you know.
*Dumbledore* may not of manipulated all, but a Ron!Dumbledore.  Well,
he is *there* to manipulate it all.  Though, what is he manipulating?
Ron, when he went back in time, already knew what all had happened.
He cannot change anything.  So, what would he be doing as Dumbledore?
Hmm, I think I am lost here somewhere.  Oh, well.  No big surprise on
my part I guess.
 
Taryn:
Ah, but he wouldn't be /changing/ the past. He'd be /causing/ the past, just
like in PoA. 
Harry and Hermione didn't /change/ anything, because it had already happened
 They merely /caused/ it.
  

Now Me:

I was discussing this idea with a friend offline and she made an interesting
point. We're all assuming that Ron!Dumbledore didn't change history at all.
Either because he couldn't or because he chose not too. But what if he did -
what if all the events we're seeing are Ron!Dumbledore's new and improved
past?
Example -

Voldemort killed Harry Potter and the proceeded to take over the WW. Ron
grows up in a world where Voldemort and the DEs are in charge and people
like the Weasleys have to pretend to go along with it in order to saty alive
 You can be executed for expressing any kind of anti-Voldemort feeling,
muggleborns are kept in Azkaban etc etc Ron grows up knowing that this is
wrong but unable to do anything about it. Some catastrophic event causes him
to decide to try an incredibly dangerous time travel spell (since I'm
assuming he would find it a lot more difficult to get his hands on a time
turner), maybe his family have just been wiped out, but for whatever reason
Ron feels he has nothin to lose and is willing to risk travelling back in
time. (Maybe Snape helps him, maybe that's why he trusts him as Albus, after
all if Snape was willing to try and help in the more dangerous climate of a
post-Voldemort victory then why not in the Potterverse we know).
This is where the theory pretty much meshes with what we've already
discussed - he ends up 130 years in the past, either creating Albus
Dumbledore or replacing him. He studies to become a great wizard (we have no
real indication exactly how talented Ron is since it's difficult to tell
because he tends not to apply himself to his studies) in the hopes of
changing things this time around. He doesn't *know* Riddle is going to
become Voldemort explaining why he doesn't stop him (although I don't think
he would anyway because executing someone because of what they will become
seems a little un-Gryffindorish.). He does however stop Hagrid being totally
thrown out of the ww because he trusts him. He does his best to keep the
Potter's safe this time round (even volunteering to be their Secret Keeper)
and fails but things happen slightly differently and Lily has the
opportunity to sacrifice her life thus saving Harry and damaging Voldemort. 
At this point his knowledge of the future becomes totally useless to him
(because things have changed so much) but he carries on trying to do what he
thinks is best for the ww.

K