Evil!lupin: a rebuttal

[Juliet]

No: HPFGUIDX 53476

Pippin:
>>Not vindictive? It's far easier to make a case for vindictive!Lupin 
than, say, vindictive!McGongall. There's the Snape-boggart, the 
vampire essay,>>

I'm sorry, but you lose me.  What does the vampire essay have to do 
with being vindictive to Snape?  (Unless, of course, you are hinting 
that Snape *is* a vampire, which is another theory entirely than this 
Evil!Lupin one you are proposing...).

>>the chilling exchange

"Forgive me, Remus," said Black.
"Not at all, Padfoot, old friend," said Lupin...>>

Since I find this to be an opion statement, I guess I can't argue it 
with you.  But I can say that all people present that night in the 
Shrieking Shack didn't seem to find it chillling...


>>and most telling, Lupin's casual re-introduction of cold-blooded 
murder ("No one's going to kill you until we've sorted a few things 
out") as the way to deal with Pettigrew. This *after* Sirius 
himself had already proposed bringing Peter up to the castle 
instead, where a healthy dose of Veritaserum could have 
established the truth to the satisfaction of everybody. >>

I don't doubt that you've read this passage many times, as you seem 
to like Evil!Lupin so much :), but...I don't see Sirius suggesting 
they bring Peter up to the school.  As I'm looking at The Servant of 
Lord Voldemort chapter right now, the events are as follows:


A) Sirius and Remus force Peter to go to human form.
B) Lupin greets him.
C) Peter doesn't even say ten words before Black raises his wand, but 
Lupin stops him.
D) Lupin brings up the night Lily and James died.
E) Peter tries to convince Lupin Sirius is lying and is trying to 
kill him. Exact words: "He killed Lily and James and now he's going 
to kill me too....You've got to help me, Remus..."
F) Lupin replies "No one's going to try and kill you until we've 
sorted a few things out".  
I don't find it a *re-introduction* of cold-blooded murder.  He was 
responding to Peter saying Black is going to kill him by using some 
of the same words Peter used.  "They're going to kill me!" "No, 
they're not going to kill you."  Nothing abnormal about that.  

Alright, I've just read through the bit from where Peter goes human 
to where Lupin binds him with cords, and I can't find Sirius 
suggesting anything about Veritaserum.  I didn't think Veritaserum 
was even introduced to us until the fourth book, when Snape threatens 
Harry with it.


>>Lupin could have had evil reasons for teaching Harry to resist the 
Dementors, just as Fake!Moody taught Harry to resist the 
Imperius curse.>>

But the difference between what Moody did and what Lupin did is that 
Lupin never suggested to Harry to teach him to resist the Dementors.  
He was reluctant about doing it the whole time, he was afraid it was 
too hard for Harry to do.  Moody tried the curse on the whole class, 
it was *Moody's* idea, and made Harry go through it four times 
until "he could throw off the course entirely."  The text isn't 
exact, but it does suggest that he did this to *all* class 
members. "Ron, who was skipping on every alternate step.  He had had 
much more difficulty with the curse then Harry".  So Moody made 
*sure* Harry could throw it off.  The only thing Lupin ever got Harry 
to do was to produce a very weak Patronus, that sort of hovered.  
And, when it came to crunch time, that Patronus got waved easily away 
by the Dementors.  


>>And of course, Lupin could have learned about 
Pettigrew the same way Sirius did.>>

Sorry for being dense, but what exactly to you mean by this?  That 
Lupin could have found out Peter had faked his death the same way 
Sirius had?  Sirius found that out because he was *there*, standing 
right infront of Peter.  Lupin could not have been there, because 
he'd have been killed by the curse if he'd have been close enough to 
actually see what was going on.  To say that he found out because he 
recognized Peter in the Weasley picture doesn't make any sense, but 
Lupin thought that Peter was dead for a fact.


>>It's also very strange that Lupin pays 
no heed to Ron's injuries or Snape's until they become a 
logistical problem, even though Ron is in obvious pain the whole 
time and an unconscious person should be checked at once to 
make sure they are breathing.>>

Lupin *did* try to "pay heed" to Ron's injuries, but his efforts were 
swatted away with a "Get away from me, *werewolf*!"  And so, he takes 
on the task of making sure HRH -understand- what's going on, and thus 
don't think he's in cahoots with Black or that Black is trying to 
kill Harry.  Once that's accomplised and no one is trying to kill 
anyone anymore, then both the injured people are looked to.


>>Speaking of choices, it's pretty likely that Pettigrew will be 
redeemed. Shouldn't there be at least one dyed-in-the-wolf, er, 
wool, member of MWPP who goes bad and chooses to remain 
so? Though I'm sure he'll be offered the chance to repent.>>

Peter was never really *bad* from the get go, he was just weak.  Weak-
willed, no self confidence...not really Bad, IMO.  But no, I don't 
think a member of MWPP needs to go bad(one was already widely thought 
to have, and one semi-did).  To turn it around, does a member of the 
Trio(and what could later turn into a quartet) need to go bad as 
well, just because?

As for Peter redeeming himself...I really can't think of much of 
anything he could *do* to redeem himself.  If he saves Harry's life, 
that's just him paying off his debt.  If he turns on Voldemort(which 
is so unlikely to happen unless he thinks Voldie isn't gonna win), 
then that is just his weakness and cowardice showing it's colors.  
Nothing redeeming going on there.



As a side note... in my re-readings of the chapter The Servant of 
Lord Voldemort whilst writing this post, this line sticks out at me:

>>"Ready, Sirius?" said Lupin.
Black had already retrieved Snapes wand from the bed.  He approached 
Lupin and the struggling rat, and his wet eyes suddenly seemed to be 
burning in his face.**Note: This is Sirius and Lupin getting ready to 
make Peter The Rat reveal himself**>>

Uh...hmm..."wet eyes"?  Was Sirius close to tears?  That's a weird 
statement right there, that last bit.  "Burning in his face" suggests 
to me intense hatred/anger, and then "wet eyes" suggests tears.  Was 
Sirius resolutely set to Peter getting what he deserved, but at the 
same time upset at the prospect of killing what was once an old 
school friend...?


~Aldrea, still very much against Evil!Lupin