V sparing L/TMR becoming V/Krum= 9th year/Dumbimagus/Winky+Dobby/Weasley gap

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 53484

Steve bboy_mn wrote:

<< Now ask yourself, could this really be a valid offer? Would 
Voldemort or any rational (or irrational for that matter) person 
actually believe a mother would step aside and let her infant son be 
killed. >>

Which fits very neatly into a Snape-loved-Lily omni-theory -- the 
whole Snape-loved-Lily omni-theory fits WAY TOO NEATLY (considering 
that I don't believe it's true and that I don't want JKR to write or 
say that it is). 

1) Why Sevvie became a follower of Voldemort -- because he was in a 
snit over Lily have chosen yucko-James over him. 

2) Why Voldemort told Lily to stand aside -- because Sevvie had 
begged V to give him Lily as a present, making the request as a way 
to try to save her life without letting on to V that he cared so much 
about a "Mudblood" -- and V had agreed to this request saying okay, 
if Lily didn't interfere with killing Harry, then he would leave Lily 
alive for Sevvie. To respond to your actual point, Voldie shows signs 
of being SUCH an utterly raving loony (and seeker of Immortality) 
that he might perfectly believe that any reasonable person would save 
their own life even at the cost of their child's life.

 3) Why Sevvie turned spy against Voldemort while Voldemort was still 
strong and getting stronger -- he knew perfectly well that Lily would 
NEVER stand aside and let her baby die, so his next attempt to save 
Lily's life was to tip off Dumbledore about the danger that all three 
Potters were in.

Ffred manawyddan wrote:

<< It's interesting to speculate about whether and where there are 
repositories of "dark" knowledge where an aspiring power seeker like 
Tom Riddle would find what he was looking for.>>

Personally, I feel certain that one such repository is the library of 
Malfoy Manor, surely containing more than a thousand years of Dark 
books.

<< When Voldemort was reduced, he ended up in Albania. Why there, I 
wonder? >>

I personally believe that V's immortality magic included a spell that 
drags him back to the place (that particular spot in that particular 
forest) where he became immortal, every time he loses his body. I 
figure he left it with Quirrel only by possessing Quirrel for the 
trip back to England, and then possessed some one (or some thing) 
else until he possessed Quirrel again. When next he left, he was in 
the horrible ugly baby body.

<< Haven't heard that theory. Would that mean that _Petunia_ is also 
Voldemort's daughter? >>

No. Some people who hold this theory suppose that Riddle raped Mrs. 
Evans simply to demonstrate his scorn of Muggles, which seems to me 
very unlikely that he would feel affectionate toward that offspring. 
Others suggest that Lily was the child of Riddle and a witch and was 
adopted by the Evanses. I am sure that Lily had two Muggle parents 
and four Muggle grandparents, and Hermione also, because the point 
about judging people by their own abilities not by their pedigrees is 
so prominent in the saga.

Nobody's RIb wrote:

<< there may be canon showing Krum was a 7th year in GoF (which
makes his interest in Hermione a bit creepy and pedophiliac-ish, 
IMHO...). >>

As Lea Moggach already quoted in 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/53385 there is 
canon that << "In GoF (page 77 - Bloomsbury edition) - Ron is talking 
about Krum being on the Bulgarian National team. "He's really young, 
too. Only just eighteen or something." >> 

If Krum was 18 during the QWC, therefore during the summer before the 
GoF school year started, then he was too old to be a Hogwarts's 
seventh-year during the GoF school year, unless he had been held back 
like Marcus Flint (before recent printings of PS/SS were changed to 
describe him as a FIFTH year, according to rumor). It is possible 
that Durmstrang schooling lasts a year longer or starts a year later 
than Hogwarts schooling, but my theory is that Durmstrang schooling 
starts at the same age and lasts the same length of time, but Krum 
made an arrangement to do his seventh-year as two years of half-time 
school, because playing on the National Team would take too much time 
for him to be able to also go to school full-time. Anyway, I am 
certain that Viktor is too old to come back to Hogwarts as a regular 
student.

He could come back to Hogwarts not as a regular student ... 
Dumbledore DID proclaim at the Leaving Feast that everyone there 
was welcome to return ... he could return simply as a guest and 
hanger-on, or as doing some advanced independent study in Hogwarts 
Library and maybe with one of the professors, or as the 
Quidditch teacher...

It doesn't seem at all pedophiliac-ish to me for an 18 year old boy 
to fall in love with a 15 year old girl who is as admirable as 
Hermione. That September 19 birthday of hers -- in the ever-present 
debate, I have been persuaded by the argument that Hogwarts takes 
students who have turned 11 by September 1 that she turned 12 on her 
birthday in PS/SS, 13 in CoS, 14 in PoA when she bought Crookshanks 
as an early birthday present, and 15 in GoF. The traditional 
counter-argument is that DUmbledore referred to H and H as "two 
thirteen year old wizards" at the end of PoA. So Hermione is 14 not 
13, so what? She's also a witch not a wizard.

Mariana marugg wrote:

<< My question : ¿is Dumbledore an animagus?. >>

Lots of people feel certain that Dumbledore is an Animagus (for the 
same reason you cited) and have advanced to wondering what his animal 
form is. One suggestion is that he's a Bumblebee because that is what 
his name, Dumbledore, means, and turning into a bee would be a way in 
which he could be invisible without an Invisibility Cloak. Others 
assert that his animal form is a phoenix. Me, I don't think Animagi 
can become Magical animals like phoenices, and I don't think a 
bumblebee is a big enough animal for such a great wizard.

Ing(achristsuperstar) wrote:

<< how Winky could possibly know Dobby? >>

I feel that surely House Elves must get occasional time off 
(presumably in the middle of the night or when their humans are 
off on holiday) for House Elf get-togethers that give them the 
opportunity to meet House Elves of the other sex, or else how could 
Winky's mother had borne Winky, and then Barty wouldn't have a House 
Elf.

Laurasia wrote:

<< If there is a house-elf interaction service, Dobby wouldn't be 
permitted to use it because the Malfoys are cruel, >>

Surely their interest in having a new generation of House Elves would 
temper their cruelty?

<< So, it sounds as though it's uncommon for families to have more 
than one elf- only large institutions do. >>

JKR gives the impression that the Malfoys only had one House Elf, but 
I feel sure that Malfoy Manor is a big place and would have work 
enough for two or even three House Elves. NHN said that Hogwarts has 
the most House Elves of any place in England, almost 100, which 
suggests that there exist some other places which have a large number 
of House Elves. Not as large, but at least ten or twenty, or why 
wouldn't Nick have said The Only Place in England with more than a 
single-digit number of House Elves? I have somewhere gotten the 
impression that the Crouch house, altho' luxurious, is a town house 
rather than a country manor and only has one House Elf (except when 
mother and daughter are working together).

<< (Well, there has to be some way of house-elves reproducing, and 
the "House-Elf Dating Service" is hardly to be likely, when house-elf 
aren't meant to have fun :D ) >>

Oh, I see you already considered that.

Melissa wrote:

<<  It feels like there is a alrger age gap between Charlie Percy 
than there is between the rest of them. (although I'm not sure that 
there's any canon on that subject) >>

Canon, oh yes. PoA:
"Oliver Wood was a burly seventeen-year-old, now in his seventh and 
final year at Hogwarts. There was a quiet sort of desperation in his 
voice as he addressed his six fellow team members in the chilly 
locker rooms on the edge of the darkening Quidditch field. "This is 
our last chance -- my last chance -- to win the Quidditch Cup," he 
told them, striding up and down in front of them. "I'll be leaving at 
the end of this year. I'll never get another shot at it. Gryffindor 
hasn't won for seven years now...." (later) "The whole of Gryffindor 
House was obsessed with the coming match. Gryffindor hadn't won the 
Quidditch Cup since the legendary Charlie Weasley (Ron's second 
oldest brother) had been seeker."

SO:
1993-4 school year - Gryffindor wins Q Cup (PoA) (Percy is 7th year)
1992-3 school year - 7th year Gryff doesn't win Q Cup (CoS)
1991-2 school year - 6th year Gryff doesn't win Q Cup (PS/SS)
1990-1 school year - 5th
1989-90 school year -4th
1988-9 school year - 3rd
1987-8 school year - 2nd (Percy is 1st year)
1986-7 school year - 1st 
1985-6 school year - Last time Gryff WON Q Cup - Charlie was Seeker

If the last time Charlie played Seeker for Gryffindor was his seventh 
year (which I believe), then there is an 8 year gap between him and 
Percy. 

I have a problem here with PS/SS: "It was decked out in the 
Slytherin colors of green and silver to celebrate Slytherin's 
winning the house cup for the seventh year in a row." 

1991-2 - Gryff wins House Cup (PS/SS)
1990-1 - 6th year Gryff doesn't win House Cup
1989-90- 5th
1988-9 - 4th
1987-8 - 3rd
1986-7 - 2nd
1985-6 - 1st
1984-5 - presumably Gryff won House Cup. 
Why didn't Gryff win the House Cup in 1985-6, when they had the 
advantage of having won the Quidditch Cup?