muggle divination / Re: Mars Connection?

[nobodysrib]

No: HPFGUIDX 53537

grindieloe wrote:  

> Harry is in Prof. Trelawney's room and he has the dream where 
> he wakes up with his scar burning... Just before this, Trelawney 
> mentions that they need to consider Mars, which is particularly 
> interesting at the time... 

> When I heard her say this, I immediately thought of SS when the 
> Centaurs will not comment on Hagrid's questioning of anything 
> unusual in the forest regarding the unicorns, but would simply 
> reply that Mars was "bright tonight."  

> After each of the mentions of Mars, Harry has an encounter 
> with Voldie... in SS, in the forest when he has possession of 
> Quirrel's body and then later when searching for the stone.  In 
> GoF, Harry dreams of Voldemort, and then shortly after battles him 
> face to face during the third task and his rebirth.  
> 
> Does anyone think that there is a connection with Harry/Vodie 
>interactions and the movement/activity of Mars?  

Mars was the god of war (known as Ares to the Greeks), and Mars is 
the "action" planet.  I think you've made a really interesting 
observation, and it got me thinking about how astrology may effect 
the HP world.  I looked up Mars to see its effects in general and on 
Harry specifically.  I also looked up HRH's sun signs and gave a 
quick summary of them.  (I couldn't find any other characters' 
specific birthdays.)

If you are resistant to astrology, you probably won't care for this 
at all.  But I thought that Hermione's description was chillingly 
accurate.  Harry's is the one that fits the least, and Ron's may 
support REDHEAD ALWAYS.  (Not that I'm implying that astrology can be 
included in the canon.   Mostly I think this is interesting 
speculation and an attempt to use divination.)

(This first part is from astrology.com)

> Mars: Planet of Passion:	

> Mars is the action Planet of the Zodiac.  Energy, passion, drive 
> and determination are all right up Mars's alley. This Planet 
> commands you to stand up, be noticed and get things done -- sitting 
> on the sidelines belongs somewhere else in the heavens. Simply put, 
> Mars speaks to the power and confident expression of the individual.

> Ambition and competition are also within Mars's realm.  Mars 
> encourages us to face challenges and to be our best -- or better.  
> Aggression is part of the plan here, although Mars also values 
> courage and honor. Assertion and a daring, fearless nature please 
> this Planet.  

> It's important to note that Mars's energy can be constructive or 
> destructive. The God of War in ancient times, Mars could be 
> brutally violent. While this energy still emanates from the Planet, 
> it also asks us to harness this force for good. Stamina, ambition 
> and achievement are all part of Mars' mantra.

Here's how Mars specifically effects Harry:

> Bestows upon him an ability to express any anger or aggressive 
> tendencies with tact, charm, and diplomacy. He probably does not 
> enjoy conflict and may even go out of his way to avoid it. His 
> flexibility and balanced outlook make him an easy going, 
> cooperative partner. He desires connections with others, and much 
> energy is directed towards relationships and friendships. He is 
> gracious and entertaining, and attracts many, due to his curiosity 
> and willingness to try anything new. 

Just for kicks, I looked up some of the characters' (sun) signs:
(All of this information comes from _The Only Astrology Book You'll 
Ever Need_ by Joanna Martine Woolfolk)

> Harry: Leo.  Leos are open personalities who give wholeheartedly of 
> themselves to others and live life to the fullest.  Excellent 
> athletes.  All leos possess a kingdom, of which the leo is 
> unquestionably its ruler.  Witty, vivacious, a fluent talker, born 
> entertainer.  Great flair for drama and an instinct for getting 
> attention.  Public image is very important.  Generous, kind, and 
> openhearted, leos find it hard to believe ill of others.  If 
> injured, they strike back quickly, but they also forgive easily and 
> never hold a grudge.  Marvelously affectionate and cheerful, with a 
> genuine joie de vivre.  No one could ask for a better friend.  If 
> approached the right way (flattery is the right way), they will do 
> almost anything, but expect praise and admiration in return.  Leos' 
> egos demand not respect but adoration.

[note from me:  This one seems to describe Draco better than Harry, 
don't you think?  However -- although leos are known for seeking out 
and hogging the spotlight, if Harry's other planetary alignments are 
humble, this could result in a person who continually ends up in the 
spotlight, like it or not.  I don't have the time right now to look 
up Harry's full chart, but I certainly can do this later if there is 
any interest.]

> Hermione: Virgo:  Intelligence is the hallmark of this sign.  
> Virgos harvest information, assimilate facts, and put what they 
> learn to practical use.  An excellent memory, an analytical mind, 
> known for crystal-clear thinking, keen ability to probe into human 
> motivations.  Superb logic cuts through muddled thinking.  Until 
> virgos have the facts before them, they are reluctant to make a 
> decision.  Their faith is not in fortune cookies or in weighing-
> machine cards, but in facts, and they distrust ideas that don't 
> stand up to critical appraisal or people who make emotional 
> judgments.  One major fault: not seeing the forest for the trees - 
> a preoccupation with neatness and precision sometimes limits their 
> breadth of vision.  Tendency to overcomplicate everything.  For 
> every answer there's a series of new questions, making mountains 
> out of molehills.  Shy and reserved nature, it's hard to relax.  
> Hypercritical, aware of the world's imperfections but resistant of 
> others' criticism of them.  Most likeable trait: 
> conscientiousness.  A virgo's idea of taking it easy would seem 
> like hard work to most people.  These are not day-dreamers, they 
> are day-doers.

<virgo's polar opposite sign is pisces>

> Ron: Pisces.  Last astrological sign, many see them as old souls 
> who have experienced many past lives.  Subtle and intuitive, many 
> are born with the gift of prophecy.  Their extraordinary 
> sensitivity and compassion can be their most vulnerable point - 
> they are too impressionable to each passing influence, too 
> susceptible to someone else's hard luck story or plea for help.  
> Learning to say no is hard.  Known as the sign of self-undoing, 
> they may be the creators of their own downfall.  Impractical, 
> falling prey to overindulgence.   Not to imply a lack of backbone.  
> Capable of great sacrifice and hard work in the service of a cause 
> or an ideal.  Fundamentally unsure of themselves, they prefer to 
> work alone rather than with people.  They have an instinct for 
> finding what appears to be the easy way out, which is why many 
> never attain the position in life to which their gifts entitle 
> them.  Capable of high intellectual acheivment, loyal, unselfish, 
> generous, always ready to help a friend who has fallen on hard 
> times.  Naturally kind, with a deep appreciation for the inner 
> qualities of others, not concerned with the superficial and with 
> what others see on the surface.  There is no more sensitive, 
> perceptive friend, nor one more warmhearted, caring, devoted, and 
> sentimental.

Btw, I also looked up the astrological romantic possibilites for HH 
and HR.  Both were doomeed.  :(

- Nobody's Rib (who, as a taurus, is known for "dependability")