Why do a lot of people think Hagrid's going 2 B the one who "Snuffs it"?
nobodysrib
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Thu Mar 13 07:19:02 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 53681
Richelle gave a great list for why Hagrid is a 'death-candidate',
including:
> 4)Robbie Coltrane was asked once if he was signed up for all seven
movies like
> Richard Harris was, his response was "sort of." Said he'd signed
up for the
> first five. Hmm.
Since the movie has already been brought up, I'll go one step further
with that. I believe that changes (in the movies) that stray from
the original plot happen for one of two reasons: either the plot is
too intricate/detailed to be portrayed on screen (ex: changes in how
Draco discovers Norbert in SS) or changing the movie actually, in the
long run, makes it more true-to-the-books. In the second case,
sometimes themes, relationships, and ideas are developed subtely and
gradually throughout a book, but there isn't time for this to happen
in the movie and thus it's given to the audience in one large punch.
I'm directly referring to the standing ovation given to Hagrid at the
end of the (movie) CoS. I can't help but think that since we were
not given time to develop as deep of a Harry-Hagrid relationship
(compared to the books), the CoS standing-o was an attempt to make us
bond with Hagrid more - or, at the least, help us to see that he is a
cherished staple at Hogwarts, and thus eventually understand the
significance of his death.
GlumPlum wrote:
> The second point I wanted to make is about Hagrid's narrative
> function. Hagrid's main role has been as Harry's (and our) guide to
> the magical world.
I agree, and would add on to that that this is a time when Harry (and
all of the WW) are entering new terrain. They don't know what lies
ahead of them, and Harry, always a key player, especially doesn't
know where his path will lead him. Symbolically, it makes sense to
me that the most nurturing of his previous guides is taken away from
him.
I also think it would be interesting if Harry, during
whatever "quest" he attempts (and most likely completes), is given
the opportunity to save Hagrid, but, for the sake of accomplishing
his task, chooses not to save Hagrid. For example: Both Hagrid and
the entire fate of the WW are hanging from a cliff. Harry can save
only one of the two groups. He chooses the rest of the WW, but must
then watch Hagrid plummet to his death. (Obviously, I don't think
this specific scenario will happen. I just used it to illustrate my
point.)
GlumPlum then wrote, in another post:
> This book [OoP] is the logical place for Voldemort to attack
> Dumbledore's close circle.
Again, I agree. JKR noted that in order for us to see the depth of
V's wrath, we need to see important characters die. I add on to
this, that we must see degrees of important characters die. (If
Dumbledore, say, were killed by Voldemort in OoP, there
would be no one else - except Harry - that could die in the next
three books that holds as great of significance. Too quick of an
action/tension peak also means that there's nowhere else to go but
down.)
According to my tea leaves, there will be many times in which
we are left to think "could it possibly get any worse" and then we
are shown just *how much* worse it can get:
GoF - Cedric dies. He is an important character to that book, and
readers get close to him, but it is only through one book that we are
able to build a relationship with this character. Also, tragic and
sad as his death may be, Cedric's absence will not have a *great*
impact on the readers, the WW, Hogwarts, or Harry, especially
compared to those who may die in the future.
(predicting future deaths):
OoP - Hagrid dies. Great emotional significance to Harry, but not
much of a change to the protection of Hogwarts or the WW. If Hagrid
dies at V's (or a V-servant's) hands, this also shows that V's power
is growing, and perhaps has already eclipsed his VWI power-peak.
(Hagrid is Dumbledore's most trusted friend; V-forces being able to
get close enough to Hagrid to kill him - and then being able to
actually kill him - also has great symblic significance.)
Book 6: I'm stumped on this one. I want it to be someone like Sirius
Black, except I love him too much to kill him off for speculation's
sake. But I think this death will be one that effects Harry
emotionally - as well as it being more dangerous for Harry now that
this person isn't around to help and protect him. Also, a
character's death isn't specifically needed here, but I do think that
this book will have the bleakest ending, ala The Empire Strikes Back,
and an easy way to accomplish this is through a character dying.
(Lucius Malfoy or someone equally dark taking over as over Hogwarts
headmaster is another way, but without further evidence I emotionally
can't speculate on this. Not yet... but... there has been much
mentioned about how Hogwarts was one of the only safe havens during
VWI, which only leads me to believe that it eventually will *not* be
a safe haven during VWII. <shudder>)
Book 7: Dumbledore (in the middle of the book - or, at least, not at
the very end.) This could also happen at the end of Book 6, in
that tragic "will the world now be permanently cast in shadow"/"is
there any reason left to have hope?" way. I think that for all of
the reasons that Hagrid dies, we also *sniff, sniff* have to have
Dumbledore die.
- Nobody's Rib
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