Another possible inconsistency *plus* Why Summon Winky?

erisedstraeh2002 erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 20 21:44:07 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 53997

Maria (maryblue67) wrote:

> When Moody takes Harry at the end of the third task, Dumbledore 
> immediately knows that he is not the real Moody. <snip> How does he 
> know that the impostor was Crouch Jr.? 

Now me:

This is a really excellent question, and one which I had not thought 
of before.  You are absolutely correct - Dumbledore expresses no 
surprise when Fake!Moody turns into Crouch Jr. after the polyjuice 
potion wears off, and his summoning of Winky and the veritaserum 
indicate that he knew who the impostor was while he was still in 
disguise.

So, how would Dumbledore know?  Let's go back to when Harry witnesses 
Crouch Jr.'s trial through Dumbledore's Pensieve.  Dumbledore tells 
Harry "...some trials come back to me more clearly than 
others...particularly now..."  (GoF, Ch. 30).  This suggests to me 
that the memories Harry witnessed were the memories Dumbledore was 
reviewing right before Harry discovered the Pensieve.  If this is 
correct, it would suggest that there was something about Crouch Jr.'s 
trial that Dumbledore wanted to review, probably triggered by what 
Harry told Dumbledore he heard Crouch Sr. say in the forest (Ch. 28 
GoF: "I've done...stupid..thing"; "all my fault...my son...my 
fault").  So it's possible (probable?) that Dumbledore had figured 
out that Crouch Sr. had helped his son escape from Azkaban, and that 
Crouch Jr. was somewhere at Hogwarts. But Dumbledore wasn't able to 
fit the pieces together until Fake!Moody disobeyed Dumbledore's 
instructions by taking Harry away after Harry returned from the 
graveyard. 

So now I have a question - why did Dumbledore summon Winky to witness 
Crouch Jr.'s confession?  All Winky did was cry.  She wasn't asked to 
confirm or deny any of what Crouch Jr. said (it would have been 
unnecessary, anyway, since the veritaserum forced him to tell the 
truth).  She knew the whole story already, so it can't be that she 
needed to hear the truth.  So what was the point of having Winky 
there?  I just don't get it.

~Phyllis





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