SHIP: Re: Who is the boy? and Why I hate the H/G Ship

[grace701]

No: HPFGUIDX 54281


> Fred posted:
> 
>1)My point was, Hermione was talking about her bestfriends. IMO, she 
>probably talked about BOTH her friends, Harry and RON. And seeing as 
>Krum was able to talk to Harry alone, he asked him first. I was not 
>trying to say that she only talked about Harry, Just that Krum did 
>not have time to ask about Ron.>>>>>>>>>>>
 

Penny wrote:
>Actually, we have no evidence that Hermione talked about Ron to 
>Krum.  In fact, the evidence pretty much points the other way.  Krum 
>was jealous for *some reason.*  If Hermione were talking equally 
>about both Harry and Ron (or least talking about Ron *some*), then 
>it seems pretty unlikely that Krum would even become romantically 
>jealous.  He would, in all likelihood, have realized that she was 
>simply talking about her best friends.  Certainly, it's unlikely 
>that his jealousy would have gone so far as to cause him to confront 
>Harry about it under that scenario.  
 
>As for your counter-argument that Krum ran out of time and might 
>have asked Harry about Ron next, I don't know why you think he ran 
>out of time.  They talk at least briefly about flying, before they 
>are interrupted.  If Krum was next going to shift suspicions to Ron, 
>why would he have "looked happier" at the revelation that Harry and 
>Hermione are not involved?  Why wouldn't he have "remained 
>suspicious" and immediately asked about Ron?  IMHO, that's because 
>Hermione *didn't* talk about Ron to Krum.  Krum is happier, because 
>a cloud has been lifted.  He suspected something between Harry and 
>Hermione.  We've no reason to believe there is any remaining cause 
>for jealousy.  



THANK YOU Penny!  For explaining in way I couldn't.  This is exactly 
that I mean.  And I like to re-iterate (because I do it so well).  If 
Krum had in fact confronted Harry, I'm pretty sure Ron would have 
told Harry.
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> Shifting to the Ginny discussions, Felinia said: 
>Harry has made an impression on her, with reason, and to lightly 
paraphrase Jane Austen, she's not seen a more amiable man or one with 
more pleasing attributes since then.  But she did go to the Ball with 
Neville, and that right there is evidence of a commitment to 
principles and a lack of any sort of dangerous fixation.>>>>>>>>>

Penny wrote: 
> While I agree that she doesn't strike me as particularly obsessed 
>with Harry, I have always been bothered by the fact that she paid 
>him no attention whatsoever on Platform 9 3/4 *until* she heard he 
>was the Boy Who Lived.  Yes, I know she's had chances since then to 
>realize that he's more than just a celebrity.  But, it seems an 
>inauspicious start to a relationship to me.  And, I'm not so certain 
>that she *has* separated the two (the celebrity and the real boy 
>that is).  They simply haven't interacted to any great extent, other 
>than in the Chamber.  In the Chamber when the "celebrity" has saved 
>her life.


I wouldn't call it obsession, either.  I can agree that at least in 
PS/SS Ginny had a crush on Harry solely because he is the boy who 
lived.  In CoS, it is evident she still has a crush on him and then 
he saves her (I was about to say that it is even better for her that 
he saved her, sort of like damsel-in-distress and her hero rescues 
her, but that wasn't the case at all).  In PoA, we see that Harry 
only has minimal interaction with Ginny and I didn't get the 
impression that she even had a crush on him.  If she still does, I 
think by this time she knows Harry personally, not just his "star" 
status, and gets to like the real him, but then again the interaction 
is minimal.  We get to actually know Ginny in GoF and she is not 
vulnerable as she was in CoS and it is evident when she tells Harry 
and Ron that she can't go with Harry to the Yule Ball because she is 
going with Ron.  (I personally can't think of her going scarlet when 
she told them she was going with Neville.  Was that a Weasley blush 
or embarrassment?  And why did she look extremely miserable 
afterwards?)

IMO, I think she *should* have grown out of the celebrity crush to RW 
crush, by now.
 
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>Calliope again: <<<<If JKR waits too long to develop Ginny's 
>character and then all of a sudden pairs them off, it's almost like 
>a *deus ex machina* situation.  I would be very disappointed if she 
>paired them off with very little development - ie, the current level 
>of Ginny-appearances up until halfway through book 7, then in the 
>epilogue mentioned something about them being together.  I don't 
>think she'd do that, but...I'm still suspicious.>>>>>>>>>>>

Penny wrote: 
> I too would be disappointed in use of a deus ex machina in this 
>case.  I personally think that if she waits until Book 6 or 7 to 
>develop Ginny (or God forbid, the epilogue), it will be a problem 
>for some readers.  We will have spent 7 books with Harry, getting to 
>know him quite intimately.  For many readers, if he were to pair up 
>romantically with Hermione, herself a character many of us have come 
>to know well and love as much as Harry, it would be very 
>satisfying.  If instead, Harry were to pair off with someone we 
>barely know or have just gotten to know, it *likely* would not be as 
>satisfying to those readers.  I would feel cheated.  I would wonder 
>why she was held back as a character.  If her destiny to be Mrs. 
>Potter has been evident since the first book (as many H/G shippers 
>proclaim), then there's nothing for the author to gain by holding 
>her in reserve.  It only serves to frustrate those readers like me, 
>who would prefer to know this character who's going to pair up with 
>our beloved Harry.  


I have always found it irritating to introduce a character out of the 
blue to be someone's love interest (as they do in spanish soap 
operas), but in reality, these books are so big, she can definitely 
develop Ginny's character subtlety as she has done with Neville.  

I personally, cannot STAND the idea of Ginny and Harry being 
together, for reasons I cannot find.  I'd rather she develop Cho's 
character.  Parvati or Lavendar!  Heck bring in Pansy or Millicent, 
but NOT GINNY!  I cannot comprehend a Ginny/Harry relationship.  I am 
an *avid* H/H, but I can deal with Hr/R and H/?, but not H/R and 
H/G.  Nope, just can't do it.  I understand everyone's reasoning 
behind it, just as I can understand everyone's reasoning behind Hr/R 
(albeit they have more evidence of a relationship that even I can't 
deny), but I still can't see it possible.  Yet if that's the way JKR 
wants it, then that's the way she'll write it and I'm sure through 
her writing she'll give me reasons to love H/G just as much as I 
don't like it now.

Greicy, who refuses to give up on H/H, thank God for FF =)
 
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