SHIP: Why I Hate H/G - Attn: KEITH

[Lilac]

No: HPFGUIDX 54528

Hello again, Keith!

I take it you didn't read my response [message 54483 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/54483], as I 
don't see any references made to the points I brought up in that 
one.  Since this post is almost exactly like the original one with a 
couple of changes, I will address those changes now.

<<<Lilac wrote:

"I just think that it's very interesting that JKR made sure to 
mention Ginny's reaction during that scene. It's obviously 
foreshadowing, but the questionis...for what? (I hope 
it'sIsStrongerFromTheExperienceAndChoosesToFightBack!Ginny)"

Well, the three of them - Harry, Ginny and Neville - have all had 
terrifying experiences, thanks to Voldemort. Harry becausge of his 
legacy, Neville because of his parents and Ginny because of her 
stupidity!  We know what it does to Harry, but Neville and 
especially Ginny remain wildcards because they're peripheral 
characters in the series, as of now.  I'm not much of a fan of JKR's 
interviews, simply because she had this habit of telling us 
virtually nothing in her interviews - was Cedric 
really a main character in the HP series who was going to die?>>>


Me:
Yes, but Ginny's and Harry's responses are much worse than 
Neville's, which I would assume is because of their direct contact 
with Voldemort, whereas Neville did not have that direct 
contact...it was DE's that attacked the Longbottoms. Vapormort was 
long gone by then.  The fact remains that they are the only two 
people that Voldemort has tried to kill but survived.  Something is 
definitely up with that.

And I think a more appropriate word choice for Ginny would have 
been "naivety" rather than "stupidity", though I would imagine she 
thinks of herself as stupid for what happened.  Thank-goodness Harry 
has never said out loud or thought to himself, "What a stupid girl, 
letting herself be possessed by that diary!".  And remember, 
Dumbledore even said, "Older and wiser wizards than [Ginny] have 
been hoodwinked by Lord Voldemort." [USHC COS 330]

I would even venture to say that she was targeted specifically by 
Lucius to recieve the diary because of the Lucius/Arthur rivalry, 
not to mention that it would jeopardize Arthur's position at the 
ministry[USHC COS 335-336]:  

***
 "A clever plan," said Dumbledore in a level voice, still staring 
Mr. Malfoy straight in the eye.  "Because if Harry here" -- Mr. 
Malfoy shot Harry a swift, sharp look -- "and his friend Ron hadn't 
discovered this book, why -- Ginny Weasley might have taken all the 
blame.  No one would ever have been able to prove she hadn't acted 
of her own free will...."

Mr. Malfoy said nothing.  His face was suddenly masklike.

"And imagine," Dumbledore went on, "what might have happened 
then....The Weasleys are one of our most prominent pure-blood 
families.  Imagine the effect on Arthur Weasley and his Muggle 
Protection Act, if his own daughter was discovered attacking and 
killing Muggle-borns....Very fortunate the diary was discovered, and 
Riddle's memories wiped from it.  Who knows what the consequences 
might have been otherwise...."
***

Sounds to me like that was the plan Lucius had in mind.



Keith:
<<<Of course, the next question that one might be tempted to ask is -
 if he dislikes Ginny so much, why save her life? Well, he saved 
Wormtail's life too, didn't he? Fact is, Harry is a do gooder, he 
likes saving lives - he'd save Snaps and no Malfoy's life too (no 
matter what he thinks of them), if it came to it!>>>

Me:
Yes, I agree with that.  Harry does the right thing when given the 
choice; we expect no less of him.  Though I think that choice had 
more to do with not having Remus and Sirius become murderers than 
anything. But Harry wasn't disgusted with Ginny after he saves her 
life like he was with Wormtail, was he?  Didn't think a negative 
thing about her after that.  Leaves the door wide open, if you ask 
me.  Though, I would imagine that if Harry found himself in a 
position where he had to save Snape's or Malfoy's life, a reference 
to live scorpions would definitely come up!:-)  

But he would still do the right thing. 

I suspect, Keith, that we'll have to agree to disagree where Ginny 
is concerned, though I feel the need to defend her whenever 
possible.  Whatever Ginny's role in the plot turns out to be, I just 
want to find out more about her, dang it!  Like other Ginny fans, I 
proudly and boldly exclaim a phrase coined by Firoza:

"BRING ON THE GINNY!" 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.net/phillyarticle.shtml

~Lilac~