Whose prophecy? (was Re: Why Harry?)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 54582

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Troels Forchhammer
<t.forch at m...> wrote:
> At 19:23 30-03-03 +0000, Erica wrote:
> >Perhaps the prophecy didn't specify Harry defeating Voldemort but
> >the 'heir of Gryffindor' defeating the 'heir of Slytherin'. 
> > ... find ... the Potter line is descendent from Gryffindor then
> > ... he would... anihilating all Potter's ....  This would explain
> > why Harry has no 'Potter' relatives and why Voldemort was more 
> > interesting in killing James and Harry but not Lily.


> Troels>
> 
> ...edited... What I would
> really like to have explained is why on earth he would want to save
> Lily - why did he attempt to get her move over?
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> We need a far more compelling reason for Voldemort to wish to
> spare Lily.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> What I would like to see is a theory that can combine the
> compelling reason to kill Harry with a (not quite as) compelling
> reason to spare Lily.
> 
> Troels

bboy_mn:

What makes you think Voldemort wanted to spare Lily or that he would have?

>From what I see Voldemort merely dismissed Lily as insignificant;
along the lines of, 'step aside girl, I've got more important things
to do than waste my time with you'. 

I don't recall anything in the actual event of Lily and James's death
that indicates that Voldemort had any intention of sparing Lily.

True, Voldemort said at other times and in other places that Lily
didn't have to die but those word suited his needs at the moment. I
see nothing in the event or in my analysis of Voldemort's character
that makes me believe that his words can be trusted. They are without
exception self-serving, and never sincere.

In the moment of Lily's death, she was nothing more than an annoyance
that stood between him and his objective. As soon as he achieved his
objective, I have no doubt that he would have killed Lily for no
reason other than his initial preception of her; that is, an annoyance
to be gotten out of his way.

Consider the implications of what he seemed to be offering her. Step
aside and let me kill your son, and I might let you go. Who in their
right mind would consider that a legitimate offer, but cause who in
the right mind would offer it with any expectation what so ever that
the offer would be accepted.

Scenario:

V: I've come here to kill James and Harry in cold blood, in a
ruthless, uncaring, and cruel manner.

J: Lily, I'll try to hold him off. Take Harry and Run.

V: BANG! (James is dead)

L: No! Not Harry! I'll do anything! Take me, just don't hurt Harry!

V: Stand aside! Stand aside, you silly girl!

L: Oh I see, you aren't going to kill me. Well, why did you say so?
Here (Lily steps aside) go ahead kill Harry. I can always make more
babies.


Is there anybody on any side of this scenerio; me, you, Lily,
Voldemort, who actually believes it's possible for the scene to play
out that way? It's ridiculous. First, no evil overlord can be trusted
at his word. Second, no parent is going to step aside, and even if
they did, no evil overlord is going to leave one person standing in
the end. I could just never happen that way.

Any implication that Voldemort might have spared Lily is irrational as
far as I'm concerned. He didn't mean it, and she didn't believe it;
simple as that.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn