Could Fudge fire Dumbledore?

[rane_ab]

No: HPFGUIDX 56778

First of all, I would like to apologise for using the b-word in the 
title to msg #56710 and using it *again* in msg #56718. I didn't 
realise this would be considered a curse, but as it seems it is, I 
dod hope nobody took offense. I must say, I'm rather amazed the 
word "git" wouldn't be considered a curse then (had I known, I would 
have used *that* word (git) instead). My inly possible excuse is that 
I'm not a native English speaker. Which is still a pretty lame 
excuse. So once again, I apologise. 
Of the 6 or 7 msgs I have as yet posted here, only two came through 
without any comment from the Elves. I guess I am a problem person. 
:-) *looks mildly ashamed* I'm sorry for any inconvenience.

Anyway, this reaction comes a bit late, too, but I had to re-edit it 
(no, not for using offending language, just because my quote was too 
long - I don't always do majorly bad things :-) ) 

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bowlwoman" <bowlwoman at y...> 
wrote:
> I see 4 reasons for Fudge's attitude change between CoS and GoF:
> 
> 1)  He's in denial and saying the first thing he can think of to 
try 
> and shut Dumbledore up
> 2)  He's in possession of some evil mojo and knows he'll be able to 
> influence the governors 
> 3)  The rules have changed in the two years between the two 
scenarios 
> and he CAN make the decision instead of the governors
> 4)  There's a discrepancy in the narrative between the 2 books
> 
> I feel that he's got some evil mojo going on and he thinks he'll be 
> able to influence the current governors in a decision to curtail 
> Dumbledore's authority or remove him altogether.  I think there's 
> just too much going on with Fudge to have his actions simply be the 
> result of loving his office too much and/or being in denial.  That 
> reasoning is an effective smokescreen to attempt to justify some 
> actions (taking Hagrid to Azkaban when the Chamber was opened 
again, 
> for example), but the Dementor kissing Crouch, Jr., is a little too 
> hardcore to be chalked up to keeping the WW from going hysterical.  
I 
> think he didn't want Crouch, Jr. to talk to anyone else for fear of 
> what he might reveal (no canon, just a gut feeling).
> 
<snips text>  I wonder how far Dumbledore will 
> go in defying the MoM before Fudge finally snaps?  
> 
> 


Me: (sorry if this lookes like a quote, I had to re-edit it)
I'm not really sure what you mean when you say Fudge has some evil 
> mojo. (what *is* a mojo, exactly, BTW?) Do you think Fudge is on 
> Voldemort's side, or that he's just working for himself? 
> 
> In the first case, I guess you proved yourself that would be quite 
> odd, considering he *didn't* want DD to get suspended in CoS; and
> he did have Harry practically alone at the Leaky Cauldron after 
Harry 
> escaped from his aunt and uncle's in PoA. He could easily have 
hurt 
> him then. Instead, he seems genuinely relieved at seeing Harry, 
even 
> letting him off the hook for the "accident" with his Aunt Marge - 
> thus placing Harry back at Hogwarts and under Dumbledore's care.
> 
> So I'm presuming you mean the second, but I'm not sure where 
you're 
> getting at, then, either. If Fudge's behaviour *isn't* due to the 
> fact that he likes his office too much, then what could possibly 
be 
> his motive? 
> 
> I know J.K. likes to make us believe some characters are a certain 
> way, and then reveals them to be sth different. But all characters 
> can't be like that - that would be ridiculous. So I'm a bit 
hesitant 
> when it comes to believing Fudge isn't what he seems to be. He 
seems 
> quite genuine in his actions, and would have to be a good actor.
> 
> As for Fudge's power over DD - pfew, you're making quite a point 
> there! Hadn't really noticed it. I'm not sure how it works, but I 
> always saw the Minister of Magic as some kind of Prime Minister 
for 
> the magic world. So you'd think he'd be able to overrule the board 
of 
> governors when it comes down to it, wouldn't you? 
> Perhaps he can, but it would really require him to put his foot 
down, 
> and he doesn't exactly strike me as being a strong person, so I 
don't 
> think he was very inclined to going against Lucius Malfoy in CoS 
> (especially as  he seems to like LM). 
> 
> If he can't exactly overrule the board, I can still imagine he'd 
have 
> a great deal of power over them: being the Minister of Magic, I'm 
> sure he could make the governors' lives hell if he put his mind to 
> it. Why did the governors then suspend DD in CoS? Again, Fudge 
> doesn't exactly come across as a strong person, and were I on the 
> board of the governors, I'm sure I'd be more scared of LM than of 
> Fudge, too. 
> 
> Why finally threaten DD after all at the end of GoF? Well, I think 
> your first theory is right - he's scared and in denial. 
Threatening 
> DD (well-knwn powerful wizard and friend of Fudge's, it seems) 
must 
> still be less frightening than being faced with the possibility of 
LV 
> coming back.
> 
> OTOH, perhaps Fudge doens't have the power (according to wizarding 
> law) to get DD fired, but perhaps he does have some important say 
in 
> the curriculum, or at least the way the school is run. As such, he 
> could make DD's life miserable, by, say, insisting that Hagrid be 
> fired (considering he's a half-giant) or other things like that. 
> After all, he's not literally threatening to sack DD, is he?
> 
> 
> What confuses me, too, now that I come to think of it, is why the 
> board let Lupin (if they knew about him being a werewolf - and 
> Fudge's remark about letting DD keep werewolves at the school 
seems 
> to suggest at least he knew Lupin was one before it was made 
public) 
> and Hagrid teach? It always seems like it's DD's decision, but if 
> they (the governors) are capable of deciding whether or not DD 
should 
> remain headmaster, is seems to me they must have some say about 
the 
> teachers...? Yet there is no mention of that. Perhaps they are all 
> very open-minded, but somehow, I have my doubts about that. OTOH, 
I 
> guess Harry wouldn't know about any commotion inside the board of 
> governors, would he? He'd only know the outcome, I guess (the fact 
> that Hagrid is still there teaching).
> 
> 
> I think I'm just confusing matters further, aren't I?
> This just isn't  my day. ;-)
> 
> Well, this is all just my opinion, and I really dodn't have any 
proof 
> to support it, but anyway, there it is...
> 
> Rane,
> who has succesfully managed to confuse even herself.