Modified JKR Quote?
annemehr
annemehr at yahoo.com
Wed May 7 15:41:31 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 57222
Okay, even though the Sun article is most likely useless, I'm still
interested in the astral projection idea, so I thought about it some
more.
aja said:
> >Perhaps [...] we learn that Dumbledore was somehow there, saw
> >it all happen, was powerless for some reason to stop it, and has
> >dumped the memory into the Pensieve so that Harry can see it.
>
> Then Annemehr:
> > Oh, I know! Astral projection! That's how Dumbledore could see
it
> > all but have no time to do anything!
<snip>
Annemehr, now:
Which is all very well, but has the disadvantage that, once Dumbledore
sees what is happening, it's not likely he'd *stay there* to see the
whole thing -- which will seriously curtail what he could put into the
pensieve. Still, let's carry on:
> Me (aja_1991) again:
>
> Hey, it works, doesn't it? :-) And we don't that Dumbledore DOESN'T
> have that ability, or some type of remote sight skills, or
> clairvoyance, etc, etc.
<snip>
> The only problem I have with this whole thing (even though I pretty
> much tossed it out as an idea) is that if Dumbledore *DID* see what
> happened, why didn't he (1) "reconnect" himself and (2) apparate to
> Godric's Hollow and save James or Lily or Harry?
>
Annemehr:
I think astral projection has an advantage in that it should be much
more reliable that clairvoyance or remote sight. Remote sight,
however, is cool because St. Godric was known for it!
If it's astral projection, then how does Astral!Dumbledore move
around? Is his travel instantaneous or does it have a certain limited
speed? If Astral!Dumbledore's speed is limited, then he wouldn't have
time to travel from G's Hollow back to Hogwarts (where he presumably
was on Halloween night) and then get back with his body to stop
Voldemort. Even if Astral!Dumbledore can get back to his body
immediately, if his body is at Hogwarts, it's still going to take him
some time to get *off* the Hogwarts grounds in order to apparate.
It very likely would have been too much time to do any good.
Even if Dumbledore was using remote sight, assuming he was at
Hogwarts, he still wouldn't necessarily have enough time to get to G's
Hollow, for the same reason. It also depends on *when* he began
looking. If he started out by seeing James' dead body and then Lily
pleading for Harry's life, then time was very short indeed.
So, I still think this astral projection/remote seeing idea has legs!
I suppose he *could* have been actually there, but in a full body bind
or something (Voldemort overpowered him because he wanted him to see
the destruction of the Potters before he killed him off, too) -- not
likely, but it *would* mean that Voldemort was THIS CLOSE to complete
victory! Anyway, it is the only way I can think of for Dumbledore to
get the whole scene into the pensieve, but it's really kind of weak
-- and just who would have unbound Dumbledore afterward, then?
Annemehr
still liking aja's idea...
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