The Diary

[Monita]

No: HPFGUIDX 57506

>--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Kelly Grosskreutz" 
<ivanova at i...> wrote:
> Valky (previously):<snip>
>I am willing to concede that it is very likely that he (Dobby) was. 
>>(Baited into pursuing Harry at the beginning of COS) <snip again>
 
> Maria:<Valky has the cut and paste again! *snip snip snip* somebody 
stop her!> 
>I can easily imagine *Draco* having a little joke and feeding Dobby 
>this tidbit of information in hopes of scaring Harry away from the 
>>school.<more snipping>

Valky (Me): Nice take. I can see that happening.
 
> Kelly:
>My take:  I always got the impression that Lucius was afraid Harry 
>would somehow ruin his plans, so wanted him out of the way so his 
>plans would go off without a hitch.  Harry defeated Lucius's master. 
>>So, his plan is to keep Harry away from Hogwarts.

Valky (Me):
Ok. But I don't see Lucius giving Harry that much credit. I believe 
he feels threatened by Harry's potential, but, not by his present 
skill by a long shot.


>Valky (previously): Re Lucius..
>There has been at least one occasion in the books
>where he could have used magic, but, appeared to run like a coward.

> Maria:
> Well, what did you want him to do? Avada Kedavra Harry and/or Dobby,
> like he tried in TCTMNBN II? I found that bit in the movie
> ridiculous. Using an Unforgivable curse on the Boy Who Lived? I  
> mean,*honestly*.
> 
> Kelly (me):
> Don't even get me started on that scene.  He would've been doing it 
> not only on The Boy Who Lived, but about five paces away from the 
> entry to Dumbledore's office.  Lucius isn't dumb enough to do 
> anything there unless
> he *really* wants to go visit Azkaban.
> 
> Valky (Me):

Yeop, I agree. Well almost. An unforgivable, Nooo. I never considered 
it. I agree he chose to be prudent, yes. When Dobby threatened him. 
Not before, however. He backed down from Dobby, IMHO, no question. 
Whether as a measure of tact, or an act of sheer cowardess. (I think 
some of both.)      

> Valky (previously):<snipped>
> > Hogwarts and Wizard homes are very separate things. The Diary
> applied at Hogwarts, the protection act applied in Wizard Homes.
> How did Lucius correlate the two? I ask.
> 
> Maria:
> It's very simple. 

>Valky (Me):
Hey I argued that point last time! :p
Is not! 
(Maria may now proceed to "Is too!" till the cows come home or 
preferably till June 21st. Val)

> Maria: 
> What's the number-one item on Lucius's agenda? 
>
Valky (Me):
Power Gain. Second only to paying himself lip-service.
Oh and in direct answer to your argument killing Muggleborns to 
discredit Arthur Weasley would help him there.
 
> Kelly:
> Here's my read on this whole thing.  Arthur Weasley's department
> has been stepping up the number of raids they have been 
> conducting.  It was to a point where Lucius felt threatened by them 
> and so started selling some of his dark objects.  He is confident 
> that Arthur's raiders won't find his
> secret compartment (which they didn't the first time Malfoy Manor 
> was raided), but he is not liking this turn of events at all.  He 
> also hears that Arthur is trying to get a Muggle Protection Act 
> passed, which runs contrary to Lucius's beliefs.

 <Ooh big snip *chills run down Valky's spine*>  

> As for removing Dumbledore, Lucius might have had that in his 
> calculations as well, but I see this attack as being directed more
> at Arthur Weasley and Muggle-borns in general.

Valky (Me):

Why such an elaborate Hogwarts centered plot against Arthur Weasley?
Arthur had misused muggle artifacts himself. Couldn't he have dug up 
some dirt on the Weasleys. Why the Voldemort treasure for the sake of 
stopping a raid that, you say yourself, he believes he has already 
managed to elude. If he was seriously concerned that his drawing room 
stash would be discovered it would be more possible, but there are 
other measures he could take there, I am sure.

There was a reason behind his motivation to use a weapon that would 
attack Muggleborn. 

I will put forward that on the issue of the Wizard community 
accepting Muggleborns, Lucius is a backseat driver. He is not a 
motivated campaigner for this issue politically at all. That is 
Voldemort and perhaps a few ardent agreeables, but certainly not 
Lucius. Don't get me wrong Lucius is a nasty bigot IMO, prejudice is 
his calling card. He wants to see the monster do away with the non 
pure-blood kind. How delectable a banquet for him. But he cares 
little about the cause. In that respect, success is inconsequential. 
He will rid the WW of this pox when he has dominated it. Dominating 
the WW is his prime agenda. He even dared so to use Voldemorts power 
to rise to this position. Voldemort knew he was being used but also 
used in return. "my slippery friend" ? I believe, applies.

The weapon Lucius chose for this plot was "Voldemort". To me that is 
a power not likely to be chosen for a trivial motivation. IMHO Lucius 
could only have resorted to this extreme measure to get in an early 
attack on the most threatening thing to his rise to dominance in the 
WW. A fully qualified adult wizard Harry Potter on the side of good.
He also wanted to shame Dumbledore and Arthur. So he orchestrated it 
to culminate in them taking the blame.

Valky