[HPforGrownups] The_12_uses_of_Dumbledore?s_omniscience

[Ladi lyndi]

No: HPFGUIDX 57659


--- errolowl wrote:
> <snip a bunch of post> doesn't know the extents
of
> his own castle, has
> no control over the actions of mean or cowardly
> people, and either
> can't see or can't fix all the loopholes in his
> school's
> defenses.And there's more where that came from.


Lynn:

Okay, here you lost me.  How do you know
Dumbledore doesn't know the extent of the castle?
 What do you mean he has no control over the
actions of mean or cowardly people or can't see
or fix loopholes?  While I think I may know what
people and things you are referring to, I'd
prefer to know exactly before I disagree since if
the people and things are different, I might
agree. 8)  While I don't think Dumbledore is
omniscient, I do think there are things he may
just not be telling since to do so would reveal
too much of the future plots or his way of
revealing things is really just a foreshadowing
for the reader and done in such a way that it's
not obvious to the reader.  I will not blame
Dumbledore for what the author makes him say or
do as he has absolutely no control over that. ;)


errolowl wrote:
 
> Why do people think Dumbledore knows more than
> any powerful wizard 
> with acute intelligence, excellent
> extrapolating powers, and a keen 
> understanding of human nature could know? 

Lynn:

Because that's what the author wants us to think?
 Dumbledore is used quite a bit for foreshadowing
coming events and to explain the events after. 
It is not unreasonable then that people think
Dumbledore does know more.

errolowl wrote:
> He knows that Harry isn't getting his letter?
> Same thing with Harry getting his
> letter in CoS, care of the 
> Weasleys. Of course, Arthur says "Dumbledore
> already knows you
> are here Harry. Doesn't miss a trick that man",
> but he could
> be referring to the trick of programming the
> quill to do the GPS 
> thing, right? ;)

Lynn:

Well, no.  Harry received the letter, Harry
handled the letter,  Harry opened the envelope
and was at point of unfolding the letter.  How
did anyone know that Harry didn't read the
letter?  The letter was read.  It seems to me
there would have to be a bit more to it than just
GPS.  The GPS thing could well explain how the
envelope got addressed though.

errolowl wrote:
> And the BuckBeak thingy  ah, my favorite
> half-baked theory :) 

Lynn:

Again, this is so very author.  To call back
Macnair to sign the execution order giving Harry
enough time to get Buckbeak away and then
dismissing Macnair about Buckbeak being in the
Forest is to give the impression that Dumbledore
knew exactly what was going to happen and helped
it happen.


errolowl wrote:
> Which brings me to wondering if Rowling
> consciously created the 
> illusion of Omniscient!Dumbledore. 

Lynn:

Those are my thoughts on the matter.


> Errol.
> Who would be frankly amazed if someone had the
> patience to read 
> through this entire post:)


Lynn:

I don't claim patience.  It was a very good way
for me to remember that there are sane and
intelligent people out in the world unlike those
I've had to deal with today.  LOL

Lynn

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