Lily Evans Potter relationship to Voldemort + Hermione

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vivamus42" <YahooGroups at T...> 
wrote:
> Various theories include V wanted to save Lily as a prize for Snape 
> (or someone else, maybe Pettigrew?) that he was some kind of blood 
> relation to Lily, that they had been lovers at some point, or even 
> that he was planning all along to kill the woman, but wanted her to 
> step aside so he could kill her baby first.  

filo_roll:
I don't think that V wanted a Griffindor to have anything to do with 
a Slytherin, especially Snape, his prized Death Eater, or even 
himself!  I just can't see Lily and V together!  Blood relation?  The 
only possible link is through V's muggle father.  But I don't think 
he really gives a rat's ass about blood relations considering he 
killed his parents.    

vivamus42: 
> Here is why I think there MUST be a blood relationship of some kind 
> between Lily and Voldemort.  
> Canon: When Voldemort went to kill Harry, he had just killed 
James.  Lily knew he was there to kill Harry.  Voldemort told Lily to 
stand aside.  When she didn't obey him right away, he told her to 
stand aside *again.*  When she didn't stand aside after (at least) 
two warnings, he killed her, then tried to kill Harry.

filo_roll:
Perhaps V wanted to save (as in keep for later use, rather than save 
her life) Lily because she was great at Charms and he needed a 
powerful witch to help him charm the world.  But since, she didn't 
listen to him, and considering his relationships with people who 
don't adhere to his orders, he decided to simply get rid of her.

vivamus42: 
> Lily was Head Girl at Hogwarts, and was described by someone 
> (McGonagall?) as being one of the finest witches of the age.  
> As a loose comparison, think of Hermione -- not as a fourth year 
> student but as a fully grown, powerful and accomplished witch -- 
> being told to stand aside by someone who had just murdered her 
> husband, so he could murder her child.   Would she just stand 
> there?   Can you imagine what Hermione would *do* to someone in 
> circumstances like that?   

filo_roll:
Hermoine would certainly stand there, because she would know about 
that old magic Lily used to protect Harry.  That's why Lily just 
stood there, she had to die for that magic to work to protect Harry.
As to the comparison of Hermione and Lily, I think that in Harry's 
subconscious mind, Hermione sort of represents Lily, especailly when 
she mothers and fusses over him.  However, I don't really know much 
about that psychoanalytical stuff (so don't kill me here), but I 
think there's got to be some Freudian, Oedipus complex aspect to 
Harry's relationship with Hermione. Maybe.

vivamus42: 
>That would create that unbreakable magical bond between them, and 
would be why V didn't want to kill her -- and maybe even was why her 
sacrifice of her life for her son would give Harry the protection 
against avada kedavra from V.

filo_roll:
I thought it was some ancient magic? 

vivamus42: 
> While that makes sense from several different perspectives, I don't 
think that one is right, either, because it would show why V wouldn't 
want to kill Lily, but it wouldn't show why he would trust that Lily 
wouldn't kill him.  

filo_roll:
Perhaps Lily didn't have her wand with her?  Or V shot her wand out 
of her hands?  V probably had the biggest ego and thought no way 
could a fragile woman like Lily kill him, let alone a baby!  I don't 
think trust was an issue with V.  Trust no one.

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