[HPforGrownups] Winky thoughts......could possibly turn into OOP thougts

[Ladi lyndi]

No: HPFGUIDX 58027


--- Tonya wrote:

> WHAT IF:
>  
> Winky is actually Barty Crouch JR'S house elf. 
> That could explain why she won't
> tell any secrets and why
> she is sooo upset about his absence.  ALSO,
> remember when she sees Jr in
> Moody's office she runs to him and calls him
> "Master".


Lynn:

I think that a house-elf belongs to a family,
continuing from generation to generation.  After
all, Winky tells us that her grandmother and her
mother worked for the Crouch's as well.  Dobby
tells us that part of the house-elfs enslavement
is to keep their masters' secrets which is the
reason she won't talk and, if she's been in the
house since Crouch, Jr. was born, it's
understandable that she would have strong
feelings, especially considering that after
Azkaban, he has been solely in her care.  It's
not surprising that she refuses to give up what
she would consider her duties as a house-elf
after she's been with the family for so long and
since she feels she is disgraced.  Remember, even
after over a year of being free from the Malfoys,
Dobby tries to punish himself when he says
anything negative about them, and there were
horrible to Dobby.

As to calling Crouch, Jr. 'Master', that's not a
term to denote that the person is someone's
master in this case but rather it is how the son
of the head of the house would be addressed. 
Crouch, Sr. would be referred to as 'Mister' and
any of his sons would be referred to as 'Master'
followed by their first name if the person was
somone within the family circle, such as a
servant, hence Master Barty.

A good example of this is in CoS when Lucius and
Draco Malfoy go into Florish and Blotts.

"'Mr. Malfoy, what a pleasure to see you again,'
said Mr. Borgin in a voice as oily as his hair.
'Delighted - and young Master Malfoy, too -
charmed.'"  (CoS, p. 43, UK)

Here, Lucius is referred to as Mister while Draco
is referred to as Master though by someone who is
not within the family circle and so addressed by
the last name.

--- Ersatz Harry wrote:
> One last thought -- why would Winky (I think it
> was Winky) say that
> Bagman was a bad wizard yet fail to recognize
> Evil!Barty right under
> her own nose?  Was this simply misplaced
> loyalty?

Lynn:

I think Winky is like Petunia in this regard,
failing to see just what's under their nose.  

"They also skated over the accusations of
bullying in the report - 'He's a boisterous
little boy, but he wouldn't hurt a fly!' said
Aunt Petunia tearfully."  (GoF, p. 29, UK)

They both refuse to see any negatives in someone
they love.

What I've been wondering is whether Winky will
end up blaming Harry for the deaths of both
Crouch, Sr. and Jr.  Something along the lines
of, if your wand hadn't been sticking out of your
pocket, Master Barty wouldn't have gotten it and
etc., etc., etc.  It's not very logical to think
Harry is in any way responsible but it doesn't
appear that very much logic is used at times in
the WW.

Lynn

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