Hermione and her time -turner and a Snape theory

[innermurk]

No: HPFGUIDX 58441

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <KIDATHEART_ at C...> 
wrote:
>     Maybe I need to take a writing class because I can't seem to 
get 
> my point across here. I keep leaving out key points. *sigh* Ok. 
Here 
> we go. Snape's irrationality during the whole sequence of events is 
> an important part of my theory. If, as I now believe, Snape already 
> knew about Hermione using the time turner for her classes, that 
> doesn't need to even figure in his behavior during this crisis(for 
> lack of a better word).
> I am contending that he figured out about Hermione and her earlier 
> use of the TT sometime during the course of the school year, not 
> that night. He was most decidedly irrational both in the shreiking 
> shack and after Black's escape and IMHO the effect was that all his 
> rationalization skills and logic had flown out the window. The TT 
> never even occured to him because he wasn't rational enough to 
think 
> anything through. He realized the TT use and Dumbledore's 
> involvement at virtually the same instant.  Since he didn't know 
the 
> *how* until the same time that he discerned Dumbledore's involvement
> he had a quick decision to make. 

Innermurk replies:
Oh, I think you're clear Linda. We just disagree on the subject :)
I don't think that Snape's loyalty to DD stretches enough to cover HH 
or especially Sirius. And you do.

I don't think that he knew about the TT because very few people did. 
I think McGonagall, Dumbledore, and Hermione were the only ones who 
did. Otherwise, I think that Hermione wouldn't have been half as 
stressed out that year. Harry and Ron notice her schedule because 
they're close to her, but no one else in their common room, or their 
year seem to think anything of her being busy, and let's face it, she 
usually did have her nose in a book.
The other teachers wouldn't have necessarily been informed about it, 
and the suggestion that they would've figured it out by the students 
talking wouldn't hold water if the students don't know. (I don't 
think they do, because she didn't even tell Harry or Ron) They can't 
talk about what they don't know.
If the staff talked to each other, it wouldn't necessarily ever come 
up that she was in their classes either (I work in a school and 
teachers *rarely* discuss their students on their free time, there's 
much more interesting conversations to be had and after a whole day 
interacting with kids, they like adult conversation anyway)

Anyway, Snape's always had a quick mind and been able to put two and 
two together. You're starting off by arguing that he did just this to 
figure out that Hermione had the TT when he never had reason to 
suspect this in the first place. Then we he *does* have reason to 
suspect a TT use, he forgets all about it, especially when so much is 
at stake for him? I don't see it happening at all.

No, I think he would've ousted Harry in a second if he'd known about 
the TT. But he *didn't* know, and he *couldn't* explain how Harry had 
done anything and he *knew* that DD knew. Then he decided to keep his 
mouth shut about DD, and cut his losses for the evening. I  *do* 
believe that DD went and had a chat with him later. He needs Snape 
too much to let him stew in that particular phase of hatred for long. 
Especially if Sirius was going to have to be working together with 
him. That's why he reacted in GOF as if he were informed and 
unsurprised, because he *was* informed. But *after* the events at the 
end of POA.


The remainder of Linda's post:
Also, canon only says that 
> Snape "stared" at everyone in turn. There is no mention of what 
kind 
> of look he was giving them. Maybe he was staring at both DUmbledore 
> and Fudge trying to decide with which one he was going to ally 
> himself with. I see this as a major point in  the developement of 
> Snape's character developement. He had to decide publically where 
> his loyalties lay and kept his loyalties with Dumbledore, despite 
> his animosity toward HH.
> 

Actually canon states thus (US PB POA pg 420)
"Snape stood there, seething, staring from Fudge, who looked 
thoroughly shocked at his behavior, to Dumbledore, whose eyes were 
twinkling behind his glasses. Snape whirled about, robes swishing 
behind him, and stormed out of the ward."

If someone gives me a seething stare, I'd consider it a poisonous 
look, but that's just me.

Innermurk