the term "professor" and titles in general (was: Snape's

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 58663

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" 
> <valkyrievixen at y...> wrote:
> > I suspect that during this time he may have laid a 
> > legitimate claim to a Lordship, and that is why DD uses the term
> > in his address. 

Rita wrote:
 > I have trouble believing that TMR would seek to be ennobled by the 
> Queen of England, as to him she is just another worthless Muggle. .
> 

Valkys reply:
I agree. Actually I was not suggesting that Tom was interested in the 
muggle title but rather in a parrallel Wizard World distinction.
I assume, to some extent, that if Dumbledore recognises the title, 
Lord, conferred upon Voldemort, that it could be a legitimate 
nobility in the Wizard World.
Conjecture leads me to a vision of Tom masterminding an honourable 
rise to power for himself and acquiring a nobility through his 
general good service to the wizard world. I believe that he did not 
turn outwardly murderous and evil before he climbed the top rung of 
the WW ladder.
We know, now, that LV was a sinister digressor as a teenager. But how 
can we all suppose that the entire wizard world knew that then. Canon 
decrees the opposite entirely. He recieved the Award for Special 
Services to his school was Head Boy etc etc.
If he was successfully gaining self satisfaction and power by 
concealing his darkness at this age, there is a strong possibility 
that he would continue on this tack until it failed to serve his 
needs anymore. 

Rita wrote: 
> I think TMR spent those years studying Dark Arts and other magic, 
> seeking out ancient libraries of spell books of forgotten spells, 
and 
> old wizards rumored to have discovered/invented spells to defeat 
> death, experimenting with spells he had himself invented, allegedly 
> all in pursuit of Immortality, but I think also in pursuit of Power.
> 

Valkys reply:
He certainly must have. Of course, you believe he put to use some, if 
not most, of this learning throughout that time though, don't you?

Rita wrote:
> But I suppose it is possible that he spent part of that time in 
> search of Wealth (to use as a means to power). Perhaps he reckoned 
> that the best route to wealth for a wizard of his intelligence, 
> charm, and magic is in the Muggle world (remember that Muggle money 
> can be converted to wizarding money at Gringotts). I feel that he 
> would be inclined to get his Muggle money by fraud, because of 
> disrespecting Muggles too much to be willing to play by their 
rules. 
> It would have worked; he would be a very successful con man even 
> without ever using a bit of magic. 
> 

Valkys reply:
Yeah I guess but it doesnt seem to me to be of importance to the plot 
even if he did.

In closing I hope I have clarified the mistier points of my argument 
that LV may be a real Lord.