Confusuion-spies/lies

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 58855

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis"
<erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote:
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> ..edited...
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> Peggy again:
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> > Is it really a secret that Snape was a spy for Dumbledore?
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> bboy_mn (Steve) again:
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> > I believe it is a limited secret.
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> Me again (Peggy):
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> This is a point of confusion for me – Dumbledore makes the 
> announcement that Snape was a DE but turned spy for the good guys in 
> front of "at least" 200 witches and wizards at Karkaroff's trial, 
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> The only way I can make this make sense is if the 200 witches and 
> wizards at the trial are sworn to secrecy.  But even that theory 
> falls down when we see Rita Skeeter at Bagman's trial with her 
> Quick-Quotes Quill in action.  Perhaps some trials are secret and 
> others aren't?  I just don't know.
> 

bboy_mn now replies:

I want to make a small distinction here, Karkaroff already had his
trial, so the scene we see in the Pensive is a hearing, and it may not
have been a public hearing. I may only be open to interested parties
like law enforcement, Aurors, victims representatives, jurors, lawyers
(barristers, solicitors, ...), government representatives, etc.... In
that event, it is possible that the results of the 'deal' were not
intended to be made public for the protection of the witness. 

True those people in attendance did hear Dumbledore mention his
previous testimony in a previous hearing. I want to interupt here to
point out that Dumbledore's testimony about Snape was also probably
NOT in a public forum but a closed hearing or investigation
questioning. The same with Dumbledore comments about Black.
Dumbledore's testimony about Black being the Secret Keeper could have
also come in a closed hearing or an investigative questioning. Back to
my point, I don't feel that the people in this particular hearing went
out and made the details of what happened public knowledge. Can't
prove it, but the logic fits the likely circumstances.

Now the Bagman scene in the Pensive was indeed a public trial. This
fact re-enforced by the presents of a newspaper reporter. Logic says
that the government wants to make a public spectical of catching a
criminal, but wants to keep it quiet when they make a deal with a
criminal and let him go.


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> bboy_mn (Steve) again:
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> > Interesting point implied here; we know what FAKE!Moody thought of
> > Snape, but we really have no idea how the real Moody views him.
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> Now me:
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> Oh, but I think we do have an idea of how the real Moody views Snape
> – when Harry witnesses Karkaroff's trial in the Pensieve, ....
> 
> ~Phyllis

bboy_mn replies:

Thanks for the reminder of Moody's comments about Snape during the
Pensive trials and hearings, I had forgotten about that, and also,
thanks for the canon reference regarding DE's knowing each other. But
it does re-enforce what I said about Moody. Moody looks skeptical
during Dumbledore's comments about Snape; as I said, his skepticism is
likely fuel by a little more logic and reason than FAKE!Moody's.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn