[HPforGrownups] Re: Sympathy for Voldemort?

Thu May 29 21:20:26 UTC 2003

No: HPFGUIDX 58907

(missed who started this)
> >Because thats what I believe Tom  needed and still needs: help.
> Harry is Dumbledore's little Gem, but not Riddle.  Dumbledore could
> of taken him under his wing, taught him right from wrong,
> > done what the people at the orphanage didn't do.  Even if
> Dumbledore didn't  believe that he could be helped (which is evident
> that he didn't) he still didn't tell anybody else?  And the fact that
> he let Hagrid get the blame is  ridiculous: Isn't it obvious that
> Hagrid's Spider wasn't the monster: the effects of
> > an Acromantula does not involve petrification or instant death.
> You can tell  by observing Mrytle's dead body that it wasn't an
> Acromnatula at work there.
>
Darrin continued:

> Dumbledore DIDN'T let Hagrid take the blame. He convinced the
> Headmaster to let Hagrid go.
>
> But again, we're talking about a popular kid who could well have been
> Dippet's gem. (Remember, Dippet was the head master, not Dumbledore)
>
> Dumbledore was the one who kept an eye on Riddle the rest of the
> time, preventing Riddle from opening the chamber again -- pg. 230.
>
I think, in a way, there is an equal but sort of opposite parallel in the
Hogwarts of today.  As is stated above, Harry is Dumbledore's little gem,
and Riddle wasn't.  As Darrin speculates, Riddle might have been Dippet's
little gem.  In Riddle's time, there was one teacher who didn't care for
Riddle, who didn't trust him, who kept a very close eye on him because he
was always suspicious that Riddle was up to something.  This teacher
happened to be Dumbledore.  Fast forward fifty years.  We have Harry Potter,
Dumbledore's little gem, a boy the majority of the teachers like.  But,
again, there is one teacher that doesn't like him, doesn't appear to trust
him, and keeps a close eye on him because he suspects that Harry is always
up to something.  We all know who that teacher is.  Not sure if this will be
significant or not, but reading this made me notice this.

On one end of the years, Tom Riddle, a boy who appeared to be good but was
evil, suspected by a teacher the majority of us believe to be on the side of
light and always has been.  On the other end, Harry Potter, one that we know
to be good (there is NO way he is going to be evil, although perhaps
something will happen that will make the WW think he is), who is suspected
by a teacher whose past is shady and his allegiances are still heavily
debated.  I don't know what conclusion to draw from this, but perhaps it
will come into play later on.  Or maybe it's just another one of those
similarities that Harry and Tom share, but it is their choices that will
blow this whole thing into the water.

Kelly Grosskreutz
http://www.idcnet.com/~ivanova
>
> > Tom was known as an honest, handsome, hard-working boy and
> Dumbledore said in
> > CoS that he was very convincing and that he could twist people to
> meet his  needs.  So Tom was well loved at school, but was it really
> Tom or was it his
> > charade?  Tom has never had anyone truely care about him, not then,
> not now.  Yet he feels love.  He loves his Mother.  His own behaviour
> is the resentment he  has towards his Father for abandoning his
> Mother.  It's from that that he is
> > driven to do the things he does towards muggles.  His pain, which
> no one helped heal has driven him into his extreme behaviour.  To
> murder Voldemort, or to arrest Voldemort would be discrimination
> since he is psychotic, would  a sane person kill hundreds of people?
> Aren't killers there days that kill and kill known to be insane?
> Whats so different about Voldemort?
> >
>
> Hogwarts reached out to him. He had a home at Hogwarts, even among
> the Slytherin crowd. He made Head Boy. He was popular. He was well-
> liked, with every teacher except D-Dore.
>
> AND HE STILL chose to create a cult of followers and made them call
> him "Lord Voldemort." He started searching for that Chamber from the
> moment he got to Hogwarts. It took him five years and he found it in
> his fifth year.
>
> You are expecting Dumbledore to be the one caregiver that could have
> saved Riddle when it is obvious that Riddle was receiving kindness
> and guidance from most of the rest of the faculty.
>
>
> > Tom was doomed from the day he was born, his 'choices' as
> Dumbledore says are not really his choices?  He 'chose' to be
> Voldemort's heir?  I don't see how he chose to be in Slytherin, since
> he was as clueless as Harry when he entered Hogwarts, he didn't know
> which house was which?  His extreme pain prevented him from turning
> the other cheek towards what his Father done, he was never given
> relief from it.  He hasn't got a heart?  I think he does for his
> Mother.
>
> Harry chose to overcome it. Ron has chosen to overcome being
> overlooked. Hermione has chosen to overcome being a Muggle-born in a
> world that is prejudiced against them.
>
> Most people can deal with life without becoming a genocidal maniac.
> (Hee! My favorite phrase! And it fits with V-Mort, even if it doesn't
> with Salazar)
>
> > I think there are a lot of holes in this opinion so feel free to
> disagree, Im curious to how everyone else feels towards Voldemort.
>
> I think he is the worst kind of racist filth and no amount of "wah, I
> had a bad childhood" justifies that and I further hope that Harry,
> Ron and Hermione take turns killing him a little bit at a time at the
> end of book 7. THEN, I hope the dementor makes a Slurpee out of his
> soul and 50 unicorns get to gore the hell out of him for him drinking
> their blood in PS/SS.
>
> Darrin
> --- Slurpee Souls. Man, that's a damn good band name.
>
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