Mirror of Erised (was: About the gleam of triumph...)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 58996

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "marephraim" <htfulcher at c...> 
wrote:
> the Key of Kenney writes: 
> 
> > It seems that [snip, snip, snip] Quirrel's deepest desire was to 
> present the stone to Voldemort; he says so in the book while 
> commenting on what he sees in the mirror (we all know the books 
now, 
> so you really dont need a quote).<
> 
> Mari comments:
> 
> Quirrel couldn't retrieve the Stone because at the time he is 
> physically being possessed by He Who Must Not be Named. The 
function 
> of the term 'use' in the passage is concrete -- You Know Who wishes 
> to use the Stone to make the Elixer of Life, and he's plastered on 
> the back of Quirrel's head, thus Quirrel can't find the Stone.

Valky (me):
Presenting the stone to LV for Quirrel could still be a *use* of its 
power. In GOF Voldemort describes Quirrel as *ambitious*. I think 
that the Quirrel wanted the stone for use in his pursuit of his own 
power beside Voldemort. 

 Also, 
> Quirrel can't touch Harry (In Canon, I don't recall Quirrel 
demuring to shake Harry's hand in the Leakey Cauldron as in the 
film), noting that after the Troll incident You Know Who never again 
trusted him -- that's when he was taken over. 
> This is the reason (physical possession) that Quirrel can't find it.

Valky (me): 
Oopsy, you got a couple of mix ups here, Mari :P
Quirrel shook Harry's hand in the PS book but he wasn't wearing the 
turban. LV attached himself to Quirrel when he failed to get the 
stone from Grigotts. It was Snape that never trusted Quirrel *again* 
after the Troll incedent, in the movie, in the PS book Snape never 
trusted Quirrel at all.



 Otherwise, his wanting to 'use' it to please his master is no 
> difference logically (and therefore magically) than Harry's desire 
> to save it (for Dumbledore and Flamel). Note the difference in the 
> function of 'use' under this circumstance from the above discussed 
> one.
> 
Valky (me):
Yes I see how you have come to this conclusion. But if you consider 
how Quirrel may have wanted to use it for his own personal gain. The 
dissimilarity to Harrys quest is obvious. 
Either way though because your theory is just as credible.
> 
> PS only 20 Days to go!

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