Harry's behavior was Re: Riddle's information re:
pippin_999
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Sun Nov 2 00:35:38 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 83958
Laura responds:
>>I agree that at the end of OoP, Harry seems to have reached a
pointof emotional equilibrium. He's been able to cry for Sirius
and hasbegun to accept the finality of his death. He has
experiencedpublic acts of support from his friends and adult
mentors, both onthe train back from school and at the station. So
when we meet himagain in book 6 (sooner rather than later, we
hope!) we may see a less angry Harry. But...
If Harry's not still furious with DD in book 6, I'll be mightily
surprised. <<
Really? Harry isn't a person who finds it hard to forgive. He
knows his friends, both young and old, sometimes make
mistakes and misjudgements and take too much on
themselves. He's not holding it against Hermione, Ron, Hagrid
or Lupin for the times they've let him down. Why should he feel
differently about Dumbledore?
Laura:
>>I still think that the prophecy is a great big old red
herring. I haven't yet read a compelling explanation for why LV
hadto be kept from knowing what it said. <<
1) Because Dumbledore was using it as bait to lure LV out of
hiding, but that could only work as long as there was *no* other
way LV could find out what it said, including the link in Harry's
mind.
2) Because Dumbledore didn't want LV to know that if "the one"
is not destroyed by LV, then LV himself will not survive. It would
appear that LV suspects this. But he can't know. Why erase all
doubt?
3) Because Dumbledore didn't want LV to know that according to
the Prophecy, Dumbledore will not be able to kill LV.
Dumbledore has reason to think that LV will fear him far less if
LV finds out for sure that Dumbledore can't kill him. We can see
Dumbledore trying to sow the idea in LV's mind that there are
worse things than death, but so far LV isn't buying.
Laura:
>>That's where I think DD made
his big miscalculation. Abigail pointed out in a recent post that
DD has his skills but managing people isn't among them, at
least of late.<<
I disagree. What we have in the Order is a standard situation in
war stories all the way back to the Iliad: a poorly organized gang
of misfits, malcontents and prima donnas up against a better
disciplined and highly motivated enemy force. The Order's
collection of different outlooks is their great strength.
Dumbledore knows his people have to learn to trust each other
despite their differences, but it's no good *telling* them that. They
have to find out for themselves. Dumbledore can't *make* Snape
and Harry work things out, any more than the forced handshake
at the end of GoF could fix things between Snape and Sirius. All
Dumbledore can do is create opportunities for co-operation and
hope for the best.
For all his power and influence, Dumbledore can use
charisma only up to a point. If people do as he wishes only
because they're overwhelmed by his personality, he will sow so
much resentment in the end that it will destroy his ability to
govern except by force. We can see the end stage of this process
in Tom Riddle/Voldemort.
Laura:
>>The idea that an adult keeps you in ignorance in order to
protectyou is not one that kids understand. You have to be an
adult to seewhy it might make sense to act that way. Kids want to
be respectedand trusted, not infantilized and patronized. And if
the grownupswho care for them want them to grow into thinking,
responsibleadults, they'll understand that and act accordingly. If
the kid isold enough to ask the question, s/he's old enough to
hear (at least some of) the answer<<
Harry was neither child nor adult in OOP. He had the capabilities
of adulthood, but he still had a child's conception of what it
means to be grown up.
He thought that having proved himself against Voldemort meant
he should be let in on everything. In truth, none of the grownups
in the Order had been told all of Dumbledore's plans.
All of the adults accepted that as members of a secret
organization, they were going to be operating with less than full
knowledge. Harry was told this also. But he couldn't grasp it.
Even after he was told the reason for secrecy, he assumed the
reason he wasn't being told everything was that Dumbledore
didn't trust him on account of his youth. That wasn't the case.
Of course it felt awful being kept in the dark. But either Harry is a
kid, and has to accept that right or wrong, adults are going to be
making decisions for him, or he's an adult, and shouldn't expect
anybody to have nurturing him as their first concern. But Harry
wanted it both ways.
Pippin
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