DD's affection for Snape, was:(Re:Snape Theory right here...

[justcarol67]

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, nymphadoraotonks at a... wrote:
> 
> 
> è Arya wrote: > I think it was D-dore who taught
> è Snape.  Now, we can see from Harry- > Snape
> è Occlumendcy lessons that if one is open to see, then
> è an awful  > lot of insight can be gained about a
> è person while teaching them  this  > art. <snip>
> 
> then Lauri:
> Interesting theory, Arya.  I
> è suppose I thought Snape learnt  occlumency the same
> è place he learnt all the curses he knew before  coming
> è to Hogwarts. (According to Sirius in the cave in GOF.)
> è One question for you: do we have canon for DD feeling
> è actual  *affection* for Snape?  Have we seen him
> è behave affectionately toward  him? Yes, in Every Book
> è DD tells someone, "I trust Severus Snape."   But
> è Dumbledore trusts people he should not trust, in every
> è book.   (Erm... primarily DADA teachers.)
> è Considering those two facts - that DD continually says
> è he trusts  Snape, and that DD trusts too much - make
> è me very suspicious of  Snape.  (As JKR means me to
> è be, no doubt, LOL.)  Lauri
> 
> 
> 
> Now me ( Tonks ) :
> 
> 
> I had the feeling that Legilemency was a natural gift, thus those who 
> possessed it would have to have some ability with Occlumency.
Occlumency being the 
> ability to block Legilimency would be something that others could
learn, but 
> since Snape and Dumbledore are Legilemens, I always assumed that
they had come by 
> their gifts naturally and never thought of the possibility of DD
teaching 
> Snape. Since DD was headmaster during Snape's time, ( I think this
has been 
> establishes both here and in canon- don't shoot me if I am wrong,
not working on a 
> lot of sleep here) would he really have taught Snape? It doesn't fit
for me. I 
> yield to agree with Lauri that Snape learned his abilities before
coming to 
> Hogwarts.
> 
> -Tonks


As a child of eleven or younger? I'm sure that living with his cruel
father was incentive to learn occlumency, but I doubt that he could
have taught himself such a difficult skill at such an early age. Also,
Harry has to be taught, whether or not he has a natural aptitude.
(He's being manipulated by LV and he's resisting Snape, so it's hard
to tell.) I would guess that it was Dumbledore who taught Snape,
knowing his natural gifts and the danger he would encounter in spying
on LV and the Death Eaters. There's really no way to know, but it
makes sense that one of the reasons Dumbledore trusts Snape is that
he's seen his thoughts and knows exactly what made Snape join the
Death Eaters, what he did while he was a member, and what made him
leave. He isn't trusting Snape based on some dim hunch. He knows him
inside and out.

And what was that about learning curses in the cave? How could that be
if he learned them before he went to school? I think he learned the
curses from his father (or by reading about them behind his father's
back to protect himself). In any case, his father has all the marks of
a dark wizard, but he's never identified as a Death Eater (they were
mostly a generation younger). I'd be very interested in knowing more
about him and his relationship with his son, who must have found
Hogwarts a refuge just as Harry did in his first few years. (Yes, I
know I'm speculating here.)

Carol