Ron's Dead Brother in Casablanca

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No: HPFGUIDX 85574

I started the thread "Ron's Dead Brother" 
( post #85269, reproduced below)
hoping for comments on whether members' theories agreed that Harry
thinking Ron was beyond 'The VEIL' is significant. So far, 
most responses have discussed the 'missing Weasley' part only,
yet I thought this an already well established theory, though not 
fact.
I apologise for not being able to give credit to who first mentioned
the 'missing Weasley'.

Harry calling out "Is that you, Ron?" at the veil suggests
3 possibilities to me:-

1. A living person beyond the veil sounds like Ron.
2. A dead person beyond the veil sounds like Ron.
3. JKR is foreshadowing Ron's death :-(

Now my earlier post #83373 'The VEIL' covered option 1.
My recent post #85269 begins to deal with option 2, but I hope
now to expand the idea with some later thoughts.

IF, note- as far as I'm concerned a big IF, the voices are from
'the dead', to match Harry's reactions to the scenario, I suggested
that the 'missing Weasley' (popular theory, sorry unknown originator)
was beyond the veil and his voice sounded like Ron's. I am guessing
that the dead boy would have died at about same age as Ron is now.

Now comes the next leap of faith.
'Of all the veils in all the dungeons in all the world, demised 
Weasley is in Harry's Department of Mysteries' (Casablanca)

Why, if the veil separates the living from the dead, would a single
voice be 'identifiable' from what should surely be an enormous number
of dead people? Any large crowd creates a Babel, even emanating as a
murmur through the veil, it should be impossible to distinguish
identities.

So, if Harry is able to 'recognise' a voice 
mistakenly(? time turners notwithstanding), does this suggest that
there are only a few dead people beyond the veil in the Department
of Mysteries?
If only a few, what are they there for? Are the unspeakables in 
contact with them? Are they trying to bring them back to life? How
 were they chosen? Are they the children killed in VW1 ?

As part of my research (stretching the term to breaking point ;-))
I checked my thesaurus (Collins) and got quite a surprise

I had already noticed the similarity between

Department  of  Mysteries                  and
Chamber      of  Secrets

One thought, what if they are 2 names for the same thing ?
Then I had a trivial thought :-
Studio          of  Weird Sisters  could be next title :-)

then the thesaurus               

Checking      CHAMBER     gives      HOLLOW
Checking      MYSTERY     gives      RIDDLE

Riddle's Hollow anyone ?  Has this been mentioned before?

I still think the voices are from the living, and answer the question
" Where were Arthur and Molly Weasley during MoM fight?".
Again, I point to post  #83373.


Quote below obtained from www.imdb.com The Internet Movie Database.
Casablanca (1942)
	Rick Blaine (Humphrey Bogart)
says,
 "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks
into mine."

Full reproduction of my starting post of Ron's Dead Brother

Post Number #85269,  Tue 18 November 2003
OoP Chapter 'The Department of Mysteries' UK page 683

Harry and Luna hear voices from beyond the veil.

"Someone's whispering behind there," he (Harry) said, moving
out of her (Hermione) reach and continuing to frown at the veil.
"Is that you, Ron?"
"I'm here, mate," said Ron.

If Harry hears a voice similar to Ron's, could it be the voice
of the often speculated 'missing Weasley' ?
A brother between Charlie + Bill --- gap --- and Percy.
Remember in GoF at Wizard World Cup, Arthur Weasley explains to the
youngsters the fear of coming home and finding the Dark Mark hovering
over your house. Arthur may have been talking from personal
experience.

I am not as well read as many of you theorists on this excellent site,
and my simple reading of 'the veil' does not come over as 'boundary
with the dead', but I seem to be a minority of one, lol. If the
voices are from the dead, could the 'missing Weasley' be there?
Would the dead brother have been about Ron's age, to sound like him?

For my (idiotic) theories if the voices are from the living, and
living Weasleys to be exact, see my post number #83373

Phil(istine)