Voldemort vs DD, rounds 1 & 2 (Was: Voldemort's name)

dcyasser dcyasser at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 1 20:47:41 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 82026

Kagome Shikon Seeker wrote:
<snip> it's unlikely that DD and LV have had
> >direct face-to-face contact in the past (or probably one of them 
would be dead now) <snip>

And Mina-Clare wrote:
 If I may also pose a theory that you might find interesting: As a 
> young Dark Lord, Tom Riddle/Voldemort decides to face off against 
> Dumbledore. If Dumbledore were really as powerful as he is made 
outto be, I don't think arrogant young Voldie would let this 
opportunity go by. Tom/Voldie fights Dumbledore and *loses*. 
Dumbledore, being magnanimous as he is, lets him go with a warning. 
This would give Voldemort reason to fear Dumbledore and would help 
explain why Dumbledore fights so tirelessly to defeat Voldemort-- he 
feels guilty.

Now dc:
I like the speculation on why LV fears DD; as a former teacher, as 
defeater of Grindelwald, or from first-hand battle experience? I 
think that they must have clashed at some point during LV's 
first "reign", whether directly or indirectly (via tactics or 
maneuvering), because Tom/LV is too arrogant to be afraid of DD's 
reputation without testing him. Mina-Clare's theory in this 
direction is indeed fun to consider, with upstart Tom put in his 
place by powerful DD. Wouldn't that add fuel to LV's vengeful fire, 
as if he needs it? 
Moving on from speculation, there is one confrontation between the 
two that must have taken place, yet we know almost no details: when 
DD rescued Harry in the PS/SS. LV was cohabitating with Quirrell, 
Quirrell was trying to kill Harry and get the stone, Harry was 
hanging on, literally, for dear life. 
"...he could only hear Quirrell's terrible shrieks and Voldemort's 
yells of, "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" and other voices, maybe in Harry's 
own head, crying, "Harry! Harry!" 
   He felt Quirrell's arm wrenched from his grasp, knew all was 
lost, and fell into blackness..."
(SS US p.295)

I always figured the voice calling Harry was DD, altho I confess JK 
does say voices, and Harry does tend to hear voices in his head.  
However, we know it is DD who pulls Quirrell off of Harry, and this 
is happening while Voldemort is still there, because Harry hears him 
yelling.  So DD and LV were in the same room. What happened? Did LV 
take to his formless heels, giving up the fight as soon as DD showed 
up? After so many years of barely existing, and then being soooo 
desperately close to the stone, (and to ridding himself of Harry) I 
would doubt it.  Did DD have to use his wand on Quirrell after he 
pulled him off Harry, or was Quirrell toast by then?  Did DD face 
down spirit-form LV? Did they have words, at least, if there was no 
corporeal LV? 
DD says only that he pulled Quirrell off Harry (note the physical 
description of pulling, not magic) and that Quirrell died when LV 
left him. 
In his big ol' graveyard speech, LV himself says little more about 
the incident, only that he was thwarted by Harry Potter (no mention 
of DD) and that he was left "as weak as ever I had been." 

C'mon, no taunting? No threats? No "I'll be back?" 

Anyone care to contribute a blow-by-blow account of LV vs DD?
 - dc









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