Voldemort vs DD, rounds 1 & 2 (Was: Voldemort's name)
dcyasser
dcyasser at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 1 20:47:41 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 82026
Kagome Shikon Seeker wrote:
<snip> it's unlikely that DD and LV have had
> >direct face-to-face contact in the past (or probably one of them
would be dead now) <snip>
And Mina-Clare wrote:
If I may also pose a theory that you might find interesting: As a
> young Dark Lord, Tom Riddle/Voldemort decides to face off against
> Dumbledore. If Dumbledore were really as powerful as he is made
outto be, I don't think arrogant young Voldie would let this
opportunity go by. Tom/Voldie fights Dumbledore and *loses*.
Dumbledore, being magnanimous as he is, lets him go with a warning.
This would give Voldemort reason to fear Dumbledore and would help
explain why Dumbledore fights so tirelessly to defeat Voldemort-- he
feels guilty.
Now dc:
I like the speculation on why LV fears DD; as a former teacher, as
defeater of Grindelwald, or from first-hand battle experience? I
think that they must have clashed at some point during LV's
first "reign", whether directly or indirectly (via tactics or
maneuvering), because Tom/LV is too arrogant to be afraid of DD's
reputation without testing him. Mina-Clare's theory in this
direction is indeed fun to consider, with upstart Tom put in his
place by powerful DD. Wouldn't that add fuel to LV's vengeful fire,
as if he needs it?
Moving on from speculation, there is one confrontation between the
two that must have taken place, yet we know almost no details: when
DD rescued Harry in the PS/SS. LV was cohabitating with Quirrell,
Quirrell was trying to kill Harry and get the stone, Harry was
hanging on, literally, for dear life.
"...he could only hear Quirrell's terrible shrieks and Voldemort's
yells of, "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" and other voices, maybe in Harry's
own head, crying, "Harry! Harry!"
He felt Quirrell's arm wrenched from his grasp, knew all was
lost, and fell into blackness..."
(SS US p.295)
I always figured the voice calling Harry was DD, altho I confess JK
does say voices, and Harry does tend to hear voices in his head.
However, we know it is DD who pulls Quirrell off of Harry, and this
is happening while Voldemort is still there, because Harry hears him
yelling. So DD and LV were in the same room. What happened? Did LV
take to his formless heels, giving up the fight as soon as DD showed
up? After so many years of barely existing, and then being soooo
desperately close to the stone, (and to ridding himself of Harry) I
would doubt it. Did DD have to use his wand on Quirrell after he
pulled him off Harry, or was Quirrell toast by then? Did DD face
down spirit-form LV? Did they have words, at least, if there was no
corporeal LV?
DD says only that he pulled Quirrell off Harry (note the physical
description of pulling, not magic) and that Quirrell died when LV
left him.
In his big ol' graveyard speech, LV himself says little more about
the incident, only that he was thwarted by Harry Potter (no mention
of DD) and that he was left "as weak as ever I had been."
C'mon, no taunting? No threats? No "I'll be back?"
Anyone care to contribute a blow-by-blow account of LV vs DD?
- dc
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