Returning to the DoM (Was:Re: The Death Chamber)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 82062

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> wrote:

> Jennifer:
>
> You bring up an excellent point. Harry destroyed countless 
> prophecies. How will their rightful owners ever have access to them 
> now? 

bboy_mn:

I'm not so sure that prophecies are accessed that often. The point
seemed to be that only the people who were involved in the various
prophecies COULD access them, and not that there was a constant parade
of those people in the Department accessing them. 

I took the existance of this prophecy storage in the Dept of Mysteries
as a matter of research. Wizards are keeping statisical data on the
accuracy of prophecies and perhaps on who makes the most accurate
prophecies, etc.... So all the loss of these prophecies means is that
the Dept. of Mysteries research will be messed up.


> Jennifer:
>
> And I do not think PI in the hands of the MoM would be legal
> (that of course, would not preclude it from happening...) not to 
> mention feasible! 


bboy_mn:

Regarding only the DE's that were caught that night at the Ministry of
Magic; they were caught in the commission of a crime, therefore their
wands would be evidence, and the PI retrieved spell echos would seem
to be perfectly legal as a means of gathering further evidence.

> Jennifer:
>
> I do think I have things mixed up though. You do not need 
> the brother wand to do PI. The odd effect of the glowing geodesic
> dome (not to mention the "echo effect") comes when you have two 
> wands made from the same tree forced to duel each other. PI is 
> totally separate from that. My apologies. Still, the results would 
> be similar, it  seems.
>
> Jennifer

bboy_mn:
 
You're right there is some confusion in the discussion of the Prior
Incantatum. We actually have two separate things that produce the same
 or similar result; the Prior Incantatum SPELL, and the Prior
Incantatum EFFECT.

The PI Spell is what we see Amos Diggery do to Harry's wand in the
wood after the Quidditch World Cup. On the other hand, the PI Effect
is what happens when two wands with 'brother' cores cast spells
against each other. 

I think only the 'echo' or 'reverse spell' aspect is related to the PI
effect. My opinion is that the cage of golden light and the Phoenix
song, etc... are characteristic of the fact the the wands involved had
Fawkes Phoenix feather cores. Two wands with hair from the same
unicorn, would produce the 'echo' or 'reverse spell' effect, but not
the other asects that we see in the graveyard.

So in the graveyard, we are actually witnessing two separate but
related phenomenon; the first being the effect of two Fawkes feather
wand casting spells against each other, and the other is the 'echoing'
of the most recent spells cast by the wand that loses the duel.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn