Lily and James, a hpappy couple?

[jeffl1965]

No: HPFGUIDX 82676

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "slgazit" <slgazit at s...> wrote:
>
    Jeff:

> >     Who will be the Judas for this version? I'd vote for Tonks. I 
> > don't really know why, but she tends to stick out like Peter 
does, 
> > imho. I don't mean to offend her fans, as I *do* like her, but I 
> just 
> > have this feeling, and I could be very wrong.
> 
  slgazit:
> If Peter is any guide, I'd expect the betrayer to be someone with 
> emotional problems and low self esteem who feels the need to prove 
> themselves better than others. Tonks is (IMO) too assertive and is 
> such a self confident, cheerfull person that I can't see her in 
that 
> role. In addition, the betrayer must be entrusted with a very 
> important task to do real damage (e.g. secret keeper). Tonks is not.
> 

  Jeff:
   I agree with that profile of her, but just because she seems 
happy, doesn't mean that the idea of more power or money won't appeal 
to her. Even the most strong of character can be persuaded. Peter 
wasn't really that large of a character in the books since he was a 
rat for most of them. ;)

   slgazit:
> I personally put my money on Snape as the eventual betrayer (I 
don't 
> think he is as of yet), especially if DD snuffs it and he'll face 
the 
> choice of going back to his former master or helping a boy he 
> detests. He just has the right kind of conflicted personality to 
fit 
> the role perfectly, and I find it hard to believe that JKR will 
> choose a very minor character for such an important role. No, the 
> betrayer must be one of the main characters, and Snape fits the 
bill 
> perfectly...
> 
 
   Jeff:

    Fair enough. I don't trust Snape in the least. When DD buys the 
farm, Snape will have lots to think of. He is very loyal to the Order 
and while I can't really state that I know his mind beyond a 
reasonable doubt, I'm very much on the fence on him. DD seems to know 
a man's heart and I *think* he'd know Snape's true nature after all 
these years to trust him as he has. But again. Voldie could exert 
some force on him after DD's death that could change his mind easily. 
He's not off my list of suspects by any means, but I'm just stating 
that there are others to consider.

> [ JP saving Snape in the Shrieking Shack incident ]
> 
   Jeff:

> >    Ah, but did he do it on his own, of because Lily made him? If 
> they 
> > were falling in love at this point, James could've done it out of 
> > love for her, not for anything else. If you think about it, he 
went 
> > against his best friend to save a common enemy. Only a whipped 
male 
> > would dare go against his best friend. :) I've seen this in too 
> many 
> > married freinds, and it's just part of love, I guess.
> 
   slgazit:

> We know from Harry's post-pensieve discussion with Sirius and Lupin 
> that James and Lily started going out in their 7th year. We also 
know 
> from Snape's outburst regarding Sirius that "Black tried to commit 
> murder at the age of 16" (he says that to DD at the end of PoA). So 
> they must have been in their 6th year when that happened. In other 
> words, it's unlikely that Lily was involved, but more than likely 
> that James' behaviour during that incident made a positive 
impression 
> on her. I am sure we'll hear more on this incident in book 6, when 
> Harry is at the same age, but I am certain that James did it for 
> the "right reasons", to save a life. He may have been a jerk in the 
> pensieve incident, but we have plenty of evidence from all 5 books 
> that he was a very decent human being as an adult.
> 

   Jeff:

   I can see your point. I just wondered what James' motives were. 
Was it to impress Lily? Did he think that this prank, out of all the 
ones they've done, was a bit too much? Somehow I doubt it, simply 
because had James had a change of heart and meant to be galliant and 
all that, Snape would've had a slightly better opinion of him, which 
apparently he doesn't and he even carries his hate on to the next 
generation of potters. If he lives, will he hate Harry's offspring? 
Possibly. Snape didnt trust James nor appreciate what he did, so that 
leads me to believe that James didnt stay all that nice very long. It 
remains to be seen, but we'll have to wait until a later date to be 
certain.


   Jeff