Did Lupin Kill Sirius? (long)
jwcpgh
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Wed Oct 15 21:15:34 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 82978
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...>
wrote:
<snip>
> ***speculation***
> Dumbledore hoped that having spent 7 years at Hogwarts
> without any incident, Lupin would be accepted by the Wizarding
> World when he left school. But those 7 years coincided with the
> rise of Voldemort. Fear and suspicion of strange wizards was
> everywhere. Hagrid and Sirius speak of the dark days when no
> one knew whom to trust. Despite all the influence Dumbledore
> could bring to bear, no one was willing to give Lupin a chance.
> It wasn't the best time for a werewolf rights break through.
Laura:
You seem to be implying that Remus had hopes of being accepted in
the Ww after leaving school. I don't know why he would think that.
He had had a narow escape in his 6th year which could have gotten
someone killed and himself expelled, so he was fully aware that
there might be legitimate reasons for people to fear werewolves.
Moreover, as you point out, it was the height of LV I, and life was
anything but normal in the WW. During times of war, everyday
problems have to be put aside, and liberation movements outside of
the war effort are nonstarters. Remus isn't stupid-he would know
not to expect any progress on the werewolf front while LV was
powerful.
Pippin:
Lupin joined the Order, perhaps because he believed in it, or
perhaps because his only friends did. He couldn't get a real job.
There wasn't much he could do to help the Order or vice versa.
Laura:
Not clear. There was actual fighting to be done. Remus could do
it. We don't see him fighting yet in the current books because the
war is still pretty underground. But the man was the DADA teacher-I
imagine he's more than competent with a wand.
Pippin:
<snip> And Voldemort lied...<snip> Voldemort could claim that he
deplores the excesses done in his name, that he opposes Muggles and
Mugglelovers because immigrants to the wizarding world bring their
superstitious fear of "monsters" with them. All will be sweetness
and light once the magical world is purified of their influence.
Laura:
Not even Bertha Jorkins would be dumb enough to fall for that
argument. Everyone knows who is atracted to LV and why. Remus's
problems with acceptance have all come from within the WW, not from
Muggles. He will never be seen by pureblood fanatics as anything
but a monster.
Pippin:
Lupin hates and dreads himself for what he is...how would it feel to
be valued for his Darkness instead of in spite of it, not just by a
little clique at school but by the followers of the most powerful
Wizard the world has ever known?
Laura:
I think Remus is sufficiently self-aware that he would realize that
such a bargain would never bring him peace of mind or self-
acceptance. I also think that the Marauders valued him before they
knew he was a werewolf. It was their love of hm that led them to
become animagi. And Remus knew that. The only people in his
childhood who took him for what he was, completely what he was, were
DD and the Marauders. I can't imagine what would induce him to turn
his back on them-even the prospect of a cure would not, IMO, be
enough.
Pippin:
<snip> Somehow, Dumbledore's arrival sealed Sirius's fate. But
not because Dumbledore wanted Black dead. I think Sirius had to die
> because Dumbledore's arrival could mean only one thing. The DE
plan had gone awry. Kreacher had confessed to the wrong person.
>
Laura:
I'm sorry, Pippin-I'm lost. What was Kreacher supposed to have
confessed to Sirius that he instead told DD?
<remainder snipped>
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