Did Lupin Kill Sirius? (long)

jwcpgh jwcpgh at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 15 21:15:34 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 82978

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
<snip> 
> ***speculation***
> Dumbledore  hoped that having spent 7 years at Hogwarts 
> without any incident, Lupin would be accepted by the Wizarding 
> World when he left school. But those 7 years coincided with the 
> rise of Voldemort. Fear and suspicion of strange wizards was 
> everywhere. Hagrid and Sirius speak of the dark days when no 
> one knew whom to trust.  Despite all the influence Dumbledore 
> could bring to bear, no one was willing to give Lupin a chance.  
> It wasn't the best time for a werewolf rights break through.  

Laura:

You seem to be implying that Remus had hopes of being accepted in 
the Ww after leaving school.  I don't know why he would think that.  
He had had a narow escape in his 6th year which could have gotten 
someone killed and himself expelled, so he was fully aware that 
there might be legitimate reasons for people to fear werewolves.

Moreover, as you point out, it was the height of LV I, and life was 
anything but normal in the WW.  During times of war, everyday 
problems have to be put aside, and liberation movements outside of 
the war effort are nonstarters.  Remus isn't stupid-he would know 
not to expect any progress on the werewolf front while LV was 
powerful.

Pippin:
Lupin joined the Order, perhaps because he believed in it, or 
perhaps because his only  friends did. He couldn't get a real job.  
There wasn't much he could do to help the Order or vice versa. 

Laura:
Not clear.  There was actual fighting to be done.  Remus could do 
it.  We don't see him fighting yet in the current books because the 
war is still pretty underground.  But the man was the DADA teacher-I 
imagine he's more than competent with a wand.

Pippin:
<snip> And Voldemort lied...<snip> Voldemort could claim that he 
deplores the excesses done in his name, that he opposes Muggles and 
Mugglelovers because immigrants to the wizarding world bring their  
superstitious fear of "monsters"  with them. All will be sweetness 
and light once the magical world is purified of their influence. 

Laura:
Not even Bertha Jorkins would be dumb enough to fall for that 
argument.  Everyone knows who is atracted to LV and why. Remus's 
problems with acceptance have all come from within the WW, not from 
Muggles.  He will never be seen by pureblood fanatics as anything 
but a monster. 

Pippin:
Lupin hates and dreads himself for what he is...how would it feel to 
be valued for his Darkness instead of in spite of it, not just by a 
little clique at school but by the followers of the most powerful 
Wizard the world has ever known?

Laura:
I think Remus is sufficiently self-aware that he would realize that 
such a bargain would never bring him peace of mind or self-
acceptance.  I also think that the Marauders valued him before they 
knew he was a werewolf.  It was their love of hm that led them to 
become animagi.  And Remus knew that.  The only people in his 
childhood who took him for what he was, completely what he was, were 
DD and the Marauders.  I can't imagine what would induce him to turn 
his back on them-even the prospect of a cure would not, IMO, be 
enough.

Pippin:
<snip>  Somehow, Dumbledore's arrival  sealed Sirius's fate.  But 
not because Dumbledore wanted Black dead. I think Sirius had to die 
> because Dumbledore's arrival could mean only one thing. The DE 
plan had gone awry. Kreacher had confessed to the wrong person. 
> 

Laura:

I'm sorry, Pippin-I'm lost.  What was Kreacher supposed to have 
confessed to Sirius that he instead told DD?

<remainder snipped>





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