The VEIL and The Weasleys Not @ MOM

[confusinglyso]

No: HPFGUIDX 83734

  "S & R Ranch" <sandrranch at y...>
> in post 83307 
> Date:  Wed Oct 22, 2003  4:49 am
> Subject:  The Weasleys Not @ MOM
>
> I have been wondering where were Mr & Mrs Weasley when Sirius,
> Lupin,Tonks, Moody & the others came to Harry & the others rescue
> at the MOM? Her "wonderful clock" (as DD put it)would have shown
> Mrs W. that 2 of her children were in mortal danger! So why would
> the parents not come to the aid of their own children?

then i , Phil, (confusinglyso) in post 83373, The VEIL

> "confusinglyso" <pjcousins at b...> 
> Date:  Thu Oct 23, 2003  2:36 am
> Subject:  The VEIL

Some snipping of preamble

> The VEIL
> It is described as hanging from a stone arch and seems to be
> only 2 dimensional. This raises 2 questions.
> 1. How does Sirius disappear if only 2 dimensional ?
> 2. Where are voices coming from ?

> A further crucial question is where does the idea come from that the
> veil is actually the border between life and death? Luna and maybe
> Lupin seeded this idea in Harry's mind but I do not think it is
> stated as fact in the book.

> 1. The veil may be simply a part of ventilation system (Department
> of Mysteries is deep underground)
> 2. It may be part of joint ventilation system with Gringotts vaults.


  3. The voices Harry and Luna heard are Arthur, Molly, and Bill
Weasley. Bill works at Gringotts and the Weasleys are in the
Gringott tunnel area preparing for Sirius' arrival (following
Dumbledore's plan as postulated by the T-BAY experts). Harry
even calls out "Ron" at one point thinking he hears his voice
from the veil. Any canon on whether Arthur or Bill sound like Ron?
This idea answers S & R Ranch, post 83184, who wanted to know
where Mr and Mrs Weasley were during MoM rescue.Also a response by
Richard in post 83357.

  4. What could Fudge as head of MoM do with a secret entrance to
Gringotts underground passages ? Maybe kidnap/kill unwary goblins.
The Quibbler stated 'Cornelius "Goblin Crusher" Fudge has
ambitions to sieze control of goblin gold supplies.'

> 5. If the lifts (elevators) stop working perhaps a sign appears on
> the arch "Emergency Exit".

As I have stated above, the veil is described as a 2 Dimensional
object. Then I am enlightened by the following post on the Fidelius
Charm on Grimmauld Place.

> 83711 From: Jen Reese <stevejjen at e...> 
> Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:24pm
> Subject: Fidelius (Re: Chapter Discussions: Chapter 4, Number
> Twelve, Grimmauld Place)

> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Chapter summary.

> <snipping>

>5) Is any light thrown on the workings of the Fidelius Charm, by 
>which Number Twelve seems to be protected?


> Jen: Now that you mention it...This does gives us more information 
> on the Fidelius. It also reminds me of the Room of Requirement due 
> to the similar mechanism of "imagining" a location into existence.

> **Well and once again, we see the ability in the WW to use ** 
> ** more space than the Muggle World appears to notice or use, ** 
> ** like the WW is operating on the same plane of existence **
> ** but is able to incorporate almost another dimension.** 

rest of post 83711 snipped

This last post has reminded us that 12 Grimmauld Place appears from
 nowhere from between numbers eleven and thirteen!

Now to the veil, it seems only 2D, but must have a magical third 
 dimension, for it to be possible for Sirius to disappear.
Whether its third dimension operates similarly to Fidelius I cannot
 say, because Harry and Neville saw Sirius disappear, besides DD and
 Lupin. Certainly Harry and Neville were not privy to any Fidelius
 knowledge to grant them a clearer view of the veil.

Summing up, my theory is that the veil has a magical third dimension
 allowing Sirius to disappear. As in my earlier post, I still beleive
 that Mr & Mrs Weasley and Bill are waiting (below ?) for Sirius.
 
 

Phil.