TBAY: Two Little Boys
Kirstini
kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Sep 1 18:30:03 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 79447
On board the Narrative Ark, Kirstini and Hayes were polishing their
most recently acquired can(n)on.
"Ever So Fallible!Dumbledore has become a favourite theory of mine
recently." Kirstini said, happily. " If we're right about this shift
towards realism, then Ever So Fallible!DD's relevance is traceable in
Harry's increasing frustration with DD in OoP. The parts of the
narrative that focalise through Harry (which I think we could
describe as the parts which pass explicit moral judgement) have never
so much as questioned DD's actions before, let alone judged them
anything other than absolutely right. OotP sets DD up for potential
fallibility, and offers Harry the beginnings of a survival instinct
independant of him. Ever So Fallible!Dumbledore is VERY...um...grey."
She put down her duster, disconsolately.
"Oh Hayes, we really need some sort of acronym! Anyway, I think it's
going to ultimately lead to his death."
"Ooh, blood?" Hayes breathed, a worrying gleam in her eye.
"Yup. Lots and lots of blood Dursley blood, wizard blood - all
those lives that would be lost by him caring about Harry too much may
ultimately end up endangered anyway, perhaps because he attempts to
stick too rigidly to his master-plan." She paused, tilting her head
as she rubbed a particularly sticky spot off the flank of the canon.
"You know," said Hayes "We should think about getting ourselves some
natty grey FEATHERBOAS to go with our uniforms...just for
evening/occasional wear
I mean, blood can still be realistic,
right...WHAT?"
Kirstini had jumped up in alarm. A voice in her ear had begun to
whisper:
"The connection I'm making is that the boy that wasn't marked is
integral to the success of the boy that was. Quite a few of the
events that give Harry the tools or information he needs have
stemmed in some way from Neville. There's loads of canon to support
it..."
Kirstini flailed around deck, bewildered. "Whaasss? Wha?"
"I think this might be your problem," Hayes observed, pulling a piece
of flesh-coloured string off Kirstini's hat.
"Oh, it's one of those faulty Extendable Ears I took a delivery of in
July," Kirstini said.
"Want me to chuck it?"
"Naah, hang on. That sounded interesting."
Kirstini held the string up to her ear again:
"...PoA was actually easier to work with than COS," the little voice
continued. "Neville is much more involved in the main body of the
story. For instance, Harry using Neville's name on the Knight bus.
Harry is not especially close to Neville. Why would it be the first
name that pops into his head? Another example is the boggart
incident. For the first time we see Neville succed at a spell, not
once but twice in the same class. Is it coincidence that that same
class leads Harry to achieving the patronus and therefore being able
to save himself, Sirius and Hermione? I don't think so. Neville is
also the key to the first inkling we get that Sirius is not after
Harry at all. When Ron awa...ccckkrrr..."
"Darn reception's mucked up," Kirstini muttered, and began to wander
about the deck, bobbing her head about through the static until the
voice returned.
"...Only two students are dramatically affected by the
demonstration of the Unforgivables- Harry and Neville. I know this
is because of what they each have in their past but I think it is
significant that they are the only two in their Gryffindors in their
year to share that level of past horror. Of course, it could be
argued that each of their experiences are direct results of the
prophecy but that's another theory...ccrrrxxxxx..."
"Oh, for Merlin's sake!" shouted Kirstini, shaking the Extendable Ear
in frustration. The voice continued, suddenly.
"Neville's character changes purpose. In fact, IMO, he becomes more
instrumental to Harry than he had previously been. Harry's choices,
in fact his very personality, precluded the Neville
connection...rrkbeeeeooo...This aspect of the relationship has been
around since SS/PS. Neville is and is Harry's moral compass, leading
him toward the maturity he'll need to continue to fight
Voldemort...beeeoooophhsst...the never ending connection between
Harry and Neville...Neville is responsible for Harry's moral
development. At the same time Harry is responsible for Neville's rise
in confidence-especially in OOP. Their paths are always circling each
other, occasionally becoming twisted and crossing, but always
connected in the end."
"Interesting," Kirstini muttered. She pulled a little notebook out of
her hatband and scribbled a couple of entries in it.
"Hayes, would you mind having a flick through the archives for me?"
she said, handing Hayes the notebook.
"Yeah, those aren't a problem at all," Hayes said, tucking her arm
back into her jacket. Kirstini descended to the cabin, and marched
purposefully past Talisman's empty portrait to the fireplace. She
picked up a handful of glittering powder from a small pot on the
mantlepiece, and threw it in the fire. "Linda, I want a word!" she
shouted.
There was a flash, and Linda stepped out onto the hearth, dusting her
trousers down.
"Nice place you've got here," she said, conversationally. MC!James,
who had been skulking in a corner contemplating making a large
donation to charity, jumped up and ushered her into a chair.
Kirstini perched on the table next to her, beside the large plate of
tapas MC!James had set in front of Linda, and began.
"Right. About this connection between Neville and Harry. You said
that you wondered why Neville's was the first name that popped into
Harry's head when he was on the Knight bus and it put me in mind of
something else."
Hayes came clomping up the stairs and handed some books and a pile of
what looked like junk to Kirstini. She was covered in dust.
"Hmmm...ah! Here we go," Kirstini cleared her throat and began to
read.
"By the time they were sixteen and had reached the fourth
form...they remained unmistakably Brodie, and were all famous in the
school, which is to say they were held in suspicion and not much
liking...Along came Mary Macgregor, the last member of the set, whose
fame rested on her being a silent lump, a nobody whom everybody could
blame" (1) The same character is later described as "officially the
faulty one."
"I don't remember a Mary Macgregor in canon..." said Linda, confused.
"It's not canon. It's a quotation from "The Prime of Miss Jean
Brodie" by Muriel Spark, said Hayes. "You see, in addition to the
fine theorising work we conduct, the Ark is also a place for archival
research. We've got thousands of shelves of reference
material...would you like a cough drop, Kirstini?"
"No, but I'd like to get on with the can(n)on I found for Linda,"
said Kirstini.
"I'll show you later," Hayes mouthed to Linda. Kirstini continued,
picking up the second archive Hayes had brought her.
"Here's some more:
>>>
>Gen made the point that writing Neville off is easy because of the
way he's usually portrayed. I agree. We see Neville from Harry's
perspective, and Harry tends to write Neville off most of the time.>
That's an excellent point -- Harry (pre-GoF) wrote off Neville,
because it's easier to ignore/feel-sorry-for the helpless or clueless
types when you're busy saving the world.>>>(2)
"That was a listie called Matt, writing way back when the messages
were only in quadruple figures. I just felt that it backed up what
I'm getting at Neville has been bred into a particular attitude
which makes him secondary to Harry. He's not really got any
especially good friends, and this is something constant through all
five books, although he does appear to have developed a bit of an
(unrequited) crush on Ginny. Harry, meanwhile, discovers himself
famous and popular for the very first time his social trajectory
moves upward on entry to Hogwarts where Neville, the pureblood, moves
downwards, partly because he's been taught he's inferior, partly
because he instinctively shies away to prevent the truth about his
parents from coming out. The truth about Harry's parents, of course,
is widely known.
"Until Harry finds out about the Longbottoms, and begins to empathise
with Neville, Neville has been "officially the faulty one." Not that
HRH are as mean as the girls in this book, but they don't really tend
to take him into account. There's that awful scene after Moody has
demonstrated the Unforgivables, when Harry is too wrapped up in
himself..."
"As per usual," Hayes muttered.
"Hem *hem*...when Harry is too wrapped up in himself to realise that
only a few beds away there's someone else still awake who is
suffering, and who understands exactly what is going through his
mind. Neville's is the first name he thinks of on the Knight Bus
because Neville has been trained up by his family, by Snape, even
by the releative exclusion he exists in in Gryffindor Tower to be
an all-purpose scapegoat, much as Harry was at the Dursleys.
"However, for Harry to identify to any degree with Neville involves,
at first, an identification against social type. Harry (much like
Draco)is a leader who has been suppressed. Neville has also been
suppressed, but his place in the social dynamic takes on a different
form. We've got a lovely canon upstairs based on the premise that
Neville finally develops past the inevitable description "a round-
faced forgetful boy" in OoP because Harry is finally beginning to
realise that people are hugely complex, and not easily labelled. It's
a nice counterpart to all the Mudblood-ing that the baddies indulge
in.
"Anyway, the step that Harry makes in beginning to include Neville in
his esteem is a big one in his development into an appropriate hero.
He's not there yet remember that on the train he's hugely
embarrassed, not just because Cho sees him covered in Stinksap, but
because he's sitting with Neville and Luna at the time.
But I digress. I called you here to point out to you that someone
else besides your good self and Dumbledore has made a connection
between Harry and Neville."
Here she paused to hand Linda the last thing that Hayes had brought
up from the bowels of the Ark. It was a miniscule can(n)on
labelled "PS `The Potions Master'" Linda raised it to her face, and
a tinny voice snapped at her.
" `You, Potter, why didn't you tell Longbottom not to add the quills?
Thought he'd make you look good if he failed, did you? A point from
Gryffindor!'"(3)
"Yes, it's Snape again," Kirstini said wearily. "Anyway, this got me
thinking. This is taken from Harry's very first Potions lesson, when
Snape has only just met Harry and is reacting so strongly because of
his resemblance to James. Now, this sort of thing causes big problems
for the Snapeologists, because they have to spend a lot of time
defending the fact that they fancy someone who is so utterly mean to
poor little Neville, with apparently no provocation, bless `em. A lot
of the time, however, they protest that Snape is actually trying to
toughen Neville and Harry up to prepare them for the big bad world.
Apart from the fact that you've got another example of the N-H
connection right there not only are they victims of Voldemort,
they're both victims of Snape, and respond differently, interestingly.
"I re-read this scene slightly diffently knowing that Harry has an
extraordinary physical resemblance to James, and that James and Snape
were rather less like "yourself and Mr Malfoy", and rather more like
Mr Malfoy and Mr Longbottom. Now, we know that Snape looks at Harry
and sees James. James probably would have acted in the manner Snape
accuses Harry of oh, stop snivelling, MC!James! We've already
agreed that this doesn't refer to you and therefore Snape, now in a
position to do something about it, takes a point from Gryffindor in
order to teach James MarkII to behave differently. Not a great
teaching method, but still...
"Anyway, Snape instinctively makes this particular connection between
Neville and Harry, perhaps because Neville is vaguely reminiscent of
Peter Pettigrew, who James continually used to make himself look
good. Remember, much of Snape's bile is reserved for
James's "admirers", too. I don't really think even Snape would call
Sirius an admirer, when he's clearly an equal. Peter, however, isn't.
If Snape looks at Harry and (mis)reads H=J, then he's also reading
N=P. Harry and Neville haven't been particularly involved with each
other up until this point, so Snape's connection isn't based on any
factual evidence of the lives of the two boys in frot of him. Whether
he makes this connection simply because he's aware of the original
prophecy and connects the two boys this way, or because he's aware of
some greater connection between the two of them, I don't know, but
that's definitely the connection he makes... I'm not trying to say
that Neville is a reincarnated Pettigrew or anything remember, the
H=J equation is a mistake on Snape's part.
"However, I'm not sure what he's up to, if this is the case. I can
understand removing all those points from Harry in a misguided
attempt to teach him not to be his father, but surely knocking all
the confidence out of Neville would be more likely to encourage,
rather than squash Pettigrewism. Anyway, this can(n)on's yours if you
want it. I thought you might be able to build it up...?"
Linda was still catching her breath from this verbal onslaught when
Kirstini jumped off the table.
"Got an idea!" she muttered, running downstairs to the archives.
"Phew!" said Linda. "I thought she was going to tell me off or
something. Is she usually this forceful?"
"Nah," said Hayes, through a mouthful of aibondijas. "It's just a
phase she's been going through since she got her rear-admiral's hat.
I reckon she's just been reading too many Captain Cindy back posts.
Are you going to eat those?"
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1)Muriel Spark, The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, (Penguin, pp6-8)
2) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/6013
3) As I'm not actually on board a massive ocean-faring
research/reference vessel, but in my office surrounded by the
complete works of Muriel Spark and none of the works of JK Rowling,
I've no way of verifying this quote. I noticed it and tried to
memorise it last night, though, so it should be fairly accurate.
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