Snape and Harry WAS Re: Pensieves objectivity AND: Dumbledore's integrity

[melclaros]

No: HPFGUIDX 79712

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" 
<mochajava13 at y...> wrote:
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" 
<mochajava13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Snape is unnecessarily harsh to Harry during the lessons.  He 
> demands to be called sir or professor.  Not to mention his reaction 
> to seeing Harry in the pensieve.  Snape physically abused Harry 
> here.  Snape grabbed Harry's arm so hard that Harry notices the 
> pain.  Snape pushes Harry away from him so hard that Harry is 
> knocked over.  Then Snape throws stuff at Harry while Harry's 
> leaving his office.  All the while, Harry is trying to answer 
> Snape's questions, but Snape won't let Harry explain.  


me:
I have to step in here..just have to. I've already mentioned Snape's 
reaction to Harry's Protego charm in my response to pip so I won't 
repeat it here. What I will say is this. Snape has EVERY right 
to 'demand' to be called "sir" or "professor". He IS "Sir". He 
IS "Professor". What would you have him do? "Well Harry, we're here 
in private, we can drop the act, call me Sevvy. Want a beer?" Sheesh. 
This is STILL a student/teacher relationship. Snape does not change 
his manner of address to Potter. (There, I've given you something to 
run with.)
This "abuse": Harry is now FIFTEEN. We have to stop seeing him as 
ELEVEN. Should Snape have grabbed and pushed? No. But was it child 
abuse? I think not. I think had Severus wanted to abuse Harry he 
could have done a HELL of a lot better than that. He did not throw 
things "at" Harry, he threw ONE jar OVER his head. 
This is a kid who plays Quidditch and has fallen off his broom, been 
hit by a rougue bludger, battled mountain trolls--hell battled 
VOLDEMORT and we're supposed to get weepy because a man he's 
witnessed his esteemed godfather call "snivellus" *grabbed his arm 
and tossed a jar of roachies over his head?" PULEEZ!
NO, it was not a mature grown up thing for a teacher--any adult to 
do. But he retained enough control not to send it right through his 
head, a feat I have no doubt he was capeable of.
Am I making excuses? No not really. But I am tired of this argument 
sounding like Big Huge Severus beat up on ickle innocent baby Harry 
AND took away his lolly.


> 
> Harry leaves this encounter shaken, and refuses to go back to 
> Snape's office.  I don't blame him; Snape just hurt Harry 
> physically.  Also, Harry's not the adult here; Snape is.  Snape 
> should have taken Harry back for lessons; he did not.  Harry was 
> wrong to go into Snape's penseive without permission, but the last 
> time he did this (with Dumbledore), he wasn't punished for it, only 
> got a stern talking-to.  Also, it never once enters Snape's mind 
> that Harry might just want to see any image of the parents he's 
> never seen and doesn't remember.  It never enters the realm of 
> Snape's thoughts that Harry is anything but a spoiled brat/bully 
> like James was.  Snape doesn't think like an adult in this 
> situation. 

There was NO excuse for Harry to look in that Pensieve. NONE. I don't 
care if Snape was baiting him. I don't care if he'd hung a big 
blinking sign over it saying "Don't look in here, Potter! wink wink 
nudge nudge" He should NOT have looked. He wanted to see something 
about his parents? What in heaven's name makes you think he had *any 
idea* there was anything to do with his parents in there? Why would 
it enter Snape's mind that Potter was looking in that pensieve for 
information on James and Lily? Oh no, Potter wasn't looking for 
Potters, he was looking for more "Fun with Snivellus" and we all know 
it. 

You mention the fact that he was not punished when he looked in DD's 
pensieve. Don't get me started on what DD lets those kids get away 
with...well it's catching up with him now, even he sees that.



Melpomene, digging that hole deeper and deeper.