Tracking Magic (was:Special Qualities of Auror Magic?)

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No: HPFGUIDX 79780

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...> 
wrote:
> Tom wrote:
> > wouldn't that be handy if you could just put a special 
> > homing device on Voldemort's magic? Too handy.
> 
> At least that might help to prove he is actually using it.  You 
know,
> I wonder now how they know an unforgivable is done.  Is it by 
witness
> only?  We have cases now of unforgivables performed, and those 
witches
> and wizards are not tracked down.  It seems, to me, that spells 
cannot
> be tracked that well, and yet the times Harry has received notices,
> the MoM knows precisely what spell was cast.  This baffles me.  The
> only thing I could come up with is that "the nongraduated" or 
rather
> "incompletely educated" are watched somehow.
> 
> 
> Tom wrote:
> > I think your analysis makes quite a bit of sense, especially 
when I 
> > sat down and really thought about it. After all, we're talking 
about 
> > Harry's offenses under the Decree for the Restriction 
of "Underage" 
> > Sorcery, right?
> > 
> > So, if that's the case, then it would seem logical that the 
Ministry 
> > would be keeping track of all students' homes, and the locations 
of 
> > known "non-graduates."
> 
> Why thank you.  I had listed Hagrid as one of those that are 
tracked,
> but I have to take that back.  I was lying in bed last night and it
> hit me.  He did magic in the first book when he got Harry from the
> Hut-on-the-Rock.  (Which by the way, after rereading OoP, I think
> Hagrid got there by a thestral.  ::grin:: )  So, if the MoM has 
little
> red sensors buttons on a big screen of all the "nongraduated" then
> seems to me Hagrid little bulb would light up.  But if it is 
actually
> "underage" then I guess not.  But it seems it is not tracked using 
the
> individual but by the area.
> 
> I really do not know.  
> 
> In OoP:
> We have Harry getting in trouble away from his house but near the
> dementors that Umbridge sent.  He is underage and it was powerful,
> impressive magic.  Dumbledore did not know.
> 
> Also in that scene, Harry called out "lumos" to his wand when it 
was
> inches from his hand and it lit up (Ch 1, pg 17).  Technically that
> too was a breech to the decree, but it was not also listed.  It was
> done right before the patronus.
> 
> We then have the OoP barging in a couple days later.  We have only
> aurors recorded doing basic magic, and there was not situation.  
Well,
> disillusionment probably is not so basic.  We also know that the 
MoM
> does not know they are there, but Dumbledore does.
> 
> Oh I found another one--Harry gave Vernon an "electric shock" when
> Vernon was choking him when they found him in the flowerbed (Ch 1, 
pg
> 5).  Harry did this without a wand.  It was not reported like 
blowing
> up his aunt was.
> 
> In GoF:
> We have Arthur repairing the room with magic.  Seemed nothing was
> said.  The MoM knew he had hooked up the Dursley's fireplace to the
> floo network, and probably knew they was going to get Potter around
> the time they did.  Dumbledore definitely did.
> 
> In PoA:
> In the third book, Harry blows up his aunt, well she is not *his* 
aunt
> but I am babbling, but that was done *without* a wand.  The MoM 
knew
> and sent help...but then again they could have been watching to 
see if
> Black was near the house.  Dumbledore could not have known about 
the
> Aunt blow up but he did about Black.
> 
> In CoS:
> We then have Dobby levitating a dessert then apparating from the
> house.  The levitating registers.  But we also have Dobby wanting
> Harry to be "safe" from the bad things that were going to happen at
> school, so there is a possibility Dobby kind of made it where they
> found out.  Dumbledore could not have known Dobby was going to 
Privet
> Drive.
> 
> Frankly I find it an interesting pattern.  Seems when they are 
looking
> for odd activity, they can tune in to the place and detect it.  I 
am
> beginning to really think in CoS, Dobby tried to frame Harry.  In 
PoA,
> they were watching for Sirius' magic, so they watched period for
> anything, and especially non-wand magic since Sirius did not have a
> wand.  GoF, they did not care.  In OoP, Umbridge wanted to frame
> Harry.  She got what she wanted and that was it.  She ignored the
> "wandless" magic and the simple "lumos".
> 
> So my question is still...how can they keep track of that and not
> others?  Is it simply because he is underage, or is it watching the
> area?  Or is it as Tom suggested, and Dumbledore has a way of 
covering
> his OoP's tracks?  Is it like a surveillance camera?  
> 
> Whatever the method, when Harry's trial began, it was never refuted
> how the MoM tracked down that Harry did the patronus.  Seems to be
> common knowledge how they do it and that it is reliable.  
> 
> 
> Melody

IMO: you both have very good points, and there is something else 
that is cropping up that was not mentioned here, Harry did the lumos 
spell in PoA as well, but that never came up then either, and he 
used his wand that time. Harry and I don't say this lightly, is much 
more powerful then Voldemort thinks he is. I don't think that 
Voldemort can do any kind of "wandless" magic, where Harry can sort 
of think it and make it happen. I know that this has been brought 
into loads of FanFiction but just from the books, Harry still seems 
to be able to perform magic with or without his wand. The MoM would 
indeed be tracking underage wizards but it makes me wonder how and I 
think it has something to do with "magic" tracking like when Harry 
said in GoF that Rita had bugged Hogwarts. Maybe to some extent the 
MoM has underaged wizards houses bugged, which would make sense. and 
how does the MoM know about Muggle born witches, well maybe not the 
MoM but most certainly Dumbledore, maybe the Sorting Hat has more 
than just songs to do, maybe they use it to give a list of children 
that are magical? you never know do we really? Lori