Time, Repetition and the Uber-Dimension (was: Narrative Function

Talisman talisman22457 at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 6 14:16:54 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 80013

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Carolina <silmariel at t...> 
wrote:
> > By the 'it happened twice' theory, as you both point out, if 
memory records only the facts the 'victim' knows, because the first 
set is erased, you'd better be careful when you Time Travel, or you 
will erase your own memory, not speaking of unexpected changes.
> silmariel

Talisman, hauling a sack of loot up out of the Malfoy's coal-shute, 
pauses a moment to say:

I don't hold the opinion that memory is erased or modified in time-
travel.  I have proffered the accruing of experience, which would 
include memory, from the outset. Hermione remembers what she is 
taught in each lesson, etc.

If this question is raised in reference to Harry's experience with 
the dementors by the lake, I encourage you to carefully re-read both 
instances.  In the first, Harry's senses are overwhelmed as the 100 
dementors  close in.  He is fading in and out of consciousness.  
Sounds are rushing in his ears.  He can't see well, or at times at 
all.  Snape (or fill in your favorite benefactor) could have been 
doing the Dance of the Seven (grey) Veils, and he wouldn't have 
noticed.

Similarly, in the second instance, he is not aware of Snape at all, 
though we know Snape is close by.  The massive influx of dementors 
stand between Harry2 and whoever is on the other side.  After he 
produces Prongs, Harry2 can't take his eyes off the apparition.  As 
soon as Prongs dissolves, Harry2 turns to speak with Hermione. When 
he turns around again, Snape has already begun loading people onto 
the floating stretchers.

There is plenty of room for Snape (or whomever you like) to provide 
assistance that blends smoothly with the eventuality of Prongs. 

I have no commitment to any particular form of intervention, in 
fact, considering that Snape was tight with Fudge, is a Professor at 
Hogwarts and bears the Dark Mark, the dementors may well have 
recognized him as someone in authority, no matter who they were 
obeying the time.  Perhaps he only had to say, "stop." 

And then, because Harry lived to go back as Harry2, his Patronus 
was "always" a part of the experience.  Nothing needs to be erased. 

Talisman, wondering who Mundungus's fence is....
 






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