OoP - GUILTY Dumbledore (was Dumbledore's true sorrow motives)

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No: HPFGUIDX 80242

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" Kneasy wrote:
> 
>> 
> Nitpick: I am under the impression that Dumbledore (who is the only 
> wizard that Voldy fears) was observing from some hiding place, ready 
> to rescue Harry from Voldy if necessary. (PS/SS climactic battle, in 
> case it isn't obvious what I'm talking about.) 
>
Kneasy:
It's possible, but IMO highly unlikely. If Quirrell had acted as one
would expect a wizard to, he would have got the Stone. 

On that occasion, just for once, Harry is of secondary importance
so far as Voldy is concerned. He wants the Stone. Full stop.
But Quirrell is too eager to please his Master.
For some peculiar reason he tries to grab Harry. But a wave of
his wand and "Accio stone!' , 'Imperio!', even 'Stupify!' and he could 
walk off whistling. No, the  risk was too  great  for DD not  to
interfere if he was around.
 
> 
> I can't believe that Harry, even as bad-tempered as he was in OoP, 
> wouldn't have hastened to rescue Ron or Hermione or Ginny if he 
> thought they were being tortured by Voldemort.

Kneasy:
Yes, he would be concerned. But  would he have rushed off without
consulting anyone else? Note that his reaction was quite different
when  Arthur Weasley was attacked. Then he is at great pains to
convince  Ron, McGonagall and DD that something must be done.
He leaves it to  them to make the decisions. This time it is different.
I doubt he would even have listened to DD had he been available, or
believe DD if he had said that Harry was being manipulated. He would
still have attempted a rescue, not trusting DD to 'understand'.


> 
> The above theory of yours is in direct contradiction of Talisman's 
> theory in which Dumbledore *wanted* Harry to fail to develop 
> Occulumency because he *wanted* Harry to be fooled into rushing 
> into danger because he *wanted* Sirius to rush to rescue Harry, 
> all so that Sirius could be killed in the presence of Harry, DD, and LV. 
> My own feeling is that yours is more in accordance with Occam's Razor, 
> but what the hell do I know? I believe in surface readings.

Kneasy:
Vive la differance!
I'm a great believer in conspiracies, but I also accept that sometimes
the  Cock-up Theory  comes into contention.
DD had carefully crafted a safety net. It was rendered useless by Harry
refusing to do something obviously to his benefit. No one could plan
for that. For  Talisman's theory to  work Snape must also be in on it and
'make sure' Harry rejects the  lessons. 
It fits with Harry's  bloody-mindedness throughout the book. A JKR parable,
Look, children. See what  can happen if  you don't listen!