Weasley nationality WAS Re: Seamus and the Weasleys

[jeffl1965]

No: HPFGUIDX 80421

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mochajava13" 
<mochajava13 at y...> wrote:
> Sarah:
> I completely agree with Pip!Squeak on this point.  Plus, I always 
> thought that the red-hair gene is originally Scottish/Old English, 
> and the red-hair in Ireland came from Scots who immigrated to 
> Ireland.  My half-Irish grandmother, and ALL the Irish friends I 
> have, have dark brown hair.  And freckles.  Plus, whenever I think 
> of red hair and the UK or Ireland, I immediately think of the 
> Duchess of York and all those weight-watcher commercials here in 
the 
> US.  Or Queen Elizabeth I.  (She was a red-head, and very, very 
> English.)  I've always assumed that red-hair or white blonde hair 
> was common in England before the Normans with their French brown 
> hair came and invaded.  We've got three pure-blood families that we 
> know of: the Malfoys, the Blacks, and the Weasleys.  The Blacks go 
> back to the Middle Ages, and their family motto is in French, so my 
> guess is that they came to England along with the Normans, or 
> shortly thereafter.  The Malfoys seem to be from the Anglo-Saxon 
> invasion with their extremely light hair.  Well, Anglo-Saxons with 
> Latin first names.  Hm, that doesn't seem to fit very well, does 
> it.  And the Weasleys seem to be one of the original inhabitants of 
> England, which does go along with the Arthurian names that the 
> Weasley children all have.  
> 

  Jeff:

    I can see your points, and the points about the Weasleys being 
true Brits, and their connection to King Arthur. Wouldn't that be a 
hoot if they were distantly related? :)
    I haven't read a lot about the names and what they mean. I did 
recall some post that mentioned that in the book when Percy's full 
name was given he wasn't called Percival, which makes sense. I can 
guess that JKR made an error being in a hurry to finish the book, and 
overlooked it? 
   As to the hair color of the Weasleys, the dark-haired Irish you 
speak of, the Black Irish, as thier known, were from around either 
Belfast or Dublin, iirc. I'm guessing they could be the aboriginal 
peoples from there, which would explain why brown hair is so common 
in the UK. But you also have variants in the redheads as well. I have 
brown eyes, and some of my ancestors were from Donnegal, iirc. It 
seems that green eyes are more common, adn even blue, but I don't see 
many brown eyed redheads at all, other than one cousin. Even my 
grandmother, from whom I inherited the red hair, had blue eyes, as 
does my mother. All I know is that all my life they always seemed to 
type Irish as having red hair, but some Nordic characters also had 
it, but not that often.


> 
> And Jeff-I had my first sip of alcohol at the tender age of about 
> 4.  My dad had a coke and bourbon, and I thought it was just a 
> coke.  I insisted on having some, and spit it right back out.  He's 
> given me alcohol whenever I wanted it since.  (Much to my  mother's 
> chagrin.)  He let me have some of his beer when I was about 12, and 
> my mother started shrieking "Take it away from her!"  At about 13 
or 
> so, I'd have some wine with the family at special occassions.  And 
I 
> live in the US.  
> 
> Sarah

  Jeff:

   I, too, was allowed to sample beer at a young age. Back then my 
family drank it with salt on the rim, and thats why I liked it, 
because it made it taste less nasty. :) I was allowed to drink some 
socially at 12 or so, and did it now and then, but it's never been a 
big deal to me at all. I merely meant that I didnt like the 
implication that Seamus was headed for a drunken life. I dont see the 
wee lad as being that way, nor do I see him as being a gay-slut. ;) 
Gay, ok, but slut isnt. ;)


  Jeff