photo vs. painting in magical world/DD's legilimency & 1st OoP/worse than de

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "wry1352000" 
<wry1352000 at y...>
> wrote:

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> > Another idea that struck me sometime after I read OoP was 
how 
> > Dumbledore, if he possessed the skill of Legilimency could 
not know 
> > who was the traitor in the first Order of the Phoenix.  
> >
> < ,,,edited,,,
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Zinaida.
> 
> bboy_mn:
> Although, I cut it out of the previous post, a summary of the key
> point was, why didn't Dumbledore use Legilimency to detect 
that Peter
> Pettigrew was the spy. Here in lies the fallibility of Legilimancy.
> Being as pathetic, fightened, insecure, and generally 
unreliable as
> Peter was, it's possible he was always giving off 'bad vibes'. It's
> possible that people even with limited Legilimency skill, 
always pick
> up nervousness, fear, and insecurity, so he could have been a 
very
> hard person to 'read'. Plus, I suspect lying was a normal 
course of
> events for someone like Peter; an everyday occurance.
> 
> It's possible that Dumbledore had some suspicions, but given 
the
> general paranoia of that time in history, I suspect everyone was
> picking up a degree of suspiciousness from everyone one 
else; no one
> trusted anyone. Even a person you had absolute trust in could 
be under
> the control of the Imperious curse; so really, even the most 
trusted
> person couldn't really be trusted. Paranoia everywhere.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> bboy_mn

Adding to this idea, I doubt whether Lord Voldemort would ever 
pick a spy or employ someone without making sure they are 
skilled at occlumency. He wouldn't want to be exposed by his 
sniveling henchmen, now, would he? Perhaps this is why he 
murders many of his informants... they know too much and have 
sensetive material now in their minds, ready to be discovered by 
any legilimens. And even so, the only people who he has a 
personal audience with and who he doesn't kill (i.e. Death 
Eaters and the like) are all very powerful wizards. He did not 
murder Pettigrew, twitchy as he was, but he did kill Bertha, who 
gave me the impression that she was not too good a witch... Can 
we then assume that Peter is quite a powerful little rat?